Dune part 2

[Mista Dobalina]

what did you all think? 11/10 for me.

[XI Vanquish IX]

Yeah it was excellent and exactly what modern cinema should be. The story is just so superbly delivered and I think the sequel was much better than the first.

[Soylent_Greene]

If you're old school having read 7 of the books, you would find the alteration of the canon disturbing.

But as an movie in it's own right, fantastic.

My concern is the altering of the time line.

Alia is supposed to be six years old when she meets her grandfather, hitting him with a Gom Jibar.
Paul and Chani had a son in a southern sietch and that child was raised by Jamis's wife, who Paul inherits after the fight. She and the child were killed by Sardukar.
All of this is critical and formative to the story.
The relationship between Princess Irulan and Paul was supposed to be formal but frigid. Nothing from which Chani would find jealousy. In fact she's supposed to be pragmatic and welcoming the marriage, accepting her role as consort.

But as I said, canon vs creativity.

[sai Dylan]

I really loved it. I thought the changes with Chani made sense, and I think it makes sense that there's Fremen that aren't sure of Paul. All religions have diversity in them. I think that's a change Herbert would've appreciated.

While I don't hate the change they made with Alia, I do believe that having her be an actual toddler is a better choice.

[TheOldKenobi]

8.5/10

[Mista Dobalina]

Originally posted by Soylent_Greene:

If you're old school having read 7 of the books, you would find the alteration of the canon disturbing.

But as an movie in it's own right, fantastic.

My concern is the altering of the time line.

Alia is supposed to be six years old when she meets her grandfather, hitting him with a Gom Jibar.
Paul and Chani had a son in a southern sietch and that child was raised by Jamis's wife, who Paul inherits after the fight. She and the child were killed by Sardukar.
All of this is critical and formative to the story.
The relationship between Princess Irulan and Paul was supposed to be formal but frigid. Nothing from which Chani would find jealousy. In fact she's supposed to be pragmatic and welcoming the marriage, accepting her role as consort.

But as I said, canon vs creativity.

I will admit, that I read Dune about 8 years ago. The book was amazing but I've forgotten quite a bit of it (so my opinion is biased). I remember reading it, seeing they made an 80's movie and couldn't stomach it 20 minutes in.

[Branoic]

Originally posted by Soylent_Greene:

If you're old school having read 7 of the books, you would find the alteration of the canon disturbing.

But as an movie in it's own right, fantastic.

My concern is the altering of the time line.

Alia is supposed to be six years old when she meets her grandfather, hitting him with a Gom Jibar.
Paul and Chani had a son in a southern sietch and that child was raised by Jamis's wife, who Paul inherits after the fight. She and the child were killed by Sardukar.
All of this is critical and formative to the story.
The relationship between Princess Irulan and Paul was supposed to be formal but frigid. Nothing from which Chani would find jealousy. In fact she's supposed to be pragmatic and welcoming the marriage, accepting her role as consort.

But as I said, canon vs creativity.

I disagree. I don't think any of that stuff was critical or formative. The story was served perfectly well without Harah, baby Leto, Thufir surviving and working with the Harkonnens because he thinks Jessica was the traitor. All that stuff would have taken too long and taken took much time and focus off the important themes and the story. I especially like the tightening of the timeline allowing Alia to stay unborn. That was brilliant. I loved the awakened fetus talking to Jessica. I think having her born like in the book would have again taken too much focus, and would have been very difficult to pull off without seeming ridiculous (like she was in Lynch's Dune). Awakened unborn Alia was just the right amount of weird and unsettling.

[Mista Dobalina]

Originally posted by Branoic:

Originally posted by Soylent_Greene:

If you're old school having read 7 of the books, you would find the alteration of the canon disturbing.

But as an movie in it's own right, fantastic.

My concern is the altering of the time line.

Alia is supposed to be six years old when she meets her grandfather, hitting him with a Gom Jibar.
Paul and Chani had a son in a southern sietch and that child was raised by Jamis's wife, who Paul inherits after the fight. She and the child were killed by Sardukar.
All of this is critical and formative to the story.
The relationship between Princess Irulan and Paul was supposed to be formal but frigid. Nothing from which Chani would find jealousy. In fact she's supposed to be pragmatic and welcoming the marriage, accepting her role as consort.

But as I said, canon vs creativity.

I disagree. I don't think any of that stuff was critical or formative. The story was served perfectly well without Harah, baby Leto, Thufir surviving and working with the Harkonnens because he thinks Jessica was the traitor. All that stuff would have taken too long and taken took much time and focus off the important themes and the story. I especially like the tightening of the timeline allowing Alia to stay unborn. That was brilliant. I loved the awakened fetus talking to Jessica. I think having her born like in the book would have again taken too much focus, and would have been very difficult to pull off without seeming ridiculous (like she was in Lynch's Dune). Awakened unborn Alia was just the right amount of weird and unsettling.

the delivery is really good. I am rereading the book and i agree it would've taken too long for Denis to get his vision on screen, with too much work and the cast would've grown tired. It's accessible for newcomers this way. The focus on Paul becoming Lisan Al'Gaib is really what mattered most to me. Now we just need someone to tackle The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe. hehe

[Blackghost]

This French producer is awesome.. nothing less.

[L E G I O]

9/10 hope the game is just as good but doubt since it's Funcom

[Marshall of the Templars]

The new movie was okay.

For anyone who did not grow up on epic movies of the old days, Dune: Part Two will look very impressive.

Though I feel that it is being overhyped by movie goers who haven't read the book. I'll have to agree that at least some of the changes are questionable with respect to canon.

Originally posted by Branoic:

All that stuff would have taken too long and taken took much time and focus off the important themes and the story.

The Sci-Fi TV miniseries of Dune had all the story elements Soylent_Greene brought up... yet somehow its total runtime is 31 minutes shorter than the combined length of Dune: Part One and Part Two. So its not an impossible task.

[VhagarTheLastOne]

I like Zendaya. Nerd for sure.

[SecretDragonSludge (Drugs)]

Originally posted by Soylent_Greene:

If you're old school having read 7 of the books, you would find the alteration of the canon disturbing.

But as an movie in it's own right, fantastic.

My concern is the altering of the time line.

Alia is supposed to be six years old when she meets her grandfather, hitting him with a Gom Jibar.
Paul and Chani had a son in a southern sietch and that child was raised by Jamis's wife, who Paul inherits after the fight. She and the child were killed by Sardukar.
All of this is critical and formative to the story.
The relationship between Princess Irulan and Paul was supposed to be formal but frigid. Nothing from which Chani would find jealousy. In fact she's supposed to be pragmatic and welcoming the marriage, accepting her role as consort.

But as I said, canon vs creativity.

If you are old school you only consider six books to be relevant.

[SecretDragonSludge (Drugs)]

I think the changes while kinda messing with Chani's character had to be done to beat over audiences heads with Frank Herberts anti-authoritarian beliefs. They don't wanna deal with people who would have thought Paul was a hero or that Dune is another white dude shows up to save the noble savages. Denis does respect the source material quite a lot, so I think Chani will probably be his lover again in the Dune Messiah film.

[KnowledgeCoffee]

Originally posted by TROGO:

what did you all think? 11/10 for me.

I didn’t like the changes from the book mostly regarding Chani, but other than they I’d say 8/10. If they stuck more faithful to the book 10/10. They did stay, for the most part, faithful.

[Piderman]

Originally posted by KnowledgeCoffee:

I didn’t like the changes from the book mostly regarding Chani, but other than they I’d say 8/10. If they stuck more faithful to the book 10/10. They did stay, for the most part, faithful.

I´d say Villeneuve made what i would call the definitive experience when it comes to successfully porting the source material over to the big screen.
Sure, a man can dream and hope that one day, we get a 100% faithfull adaptation but i cant see that happen at alll, we already had that with Tolkiens work. These Books are just so huge, its simply impossible.
People like Villeneuve and Jackson that try really hard to achive the impossible is the best we will ever get.