This is probably such a terrible concept for a game

[Rotpar]

First off, it's Funcom--♥♥♥♥ them. They destroyed the Secret World and alienated an incredibly loyal fanbase by making a dumbed-down, lootbox-powered version of it . . . that received ONE update and still has less content than the original. They never deserve a dime.

That aside; either this game really needs to reinvent the wheel or it's a horrible setting for the established survival game formula. Being Dune could make the game actually brilliant but I have almost zero faith in it.

You need a stillsuit. Always. There's no wandering around naked in this game, no making rags out of spice fibers and then moving onto leather and metal armor/clothes, etc. Even one of the Fremen's most brilliant leaders dies horribly when abandoned in the desert with a damaged stillsuit.

Arrakis is a single biome world. 100% desert. There are no distant jungles, no cold alpine areas; no rivers, seas, or lakes. This is going to be a very boring game to look at. I love the desert but there is going to be functionally no variety in this game; it's going to be sand dunes, rocks, and maybe even salt plains if we're lucky.

What exactly is the sand walk going to be? Do you have to cross the dunes in some weird janky motion; forward, stop, strafe right, forward, strafe left, jump, stop, forward? Is it going to be a mini-game you have to perform to cover most of the area, having to play DDR to go anywhere; you didn't hit left fast enough so now a worm eats you? Or do you toggle "sand walk" on and slowly shuffle forward?

There is probably a more logical setting for how we know survival games operate; at the cost of losing the iconic dunes and sandworms--Salusa Secundus. It's a prison planet and a death world few survive; it makes much more sense for people to be tossed naked into the wilderness there. We know almost nothing about it other than it's badly scarred by nuclear war; but if you want snow plains with radioactive blizzards or swamps farting out chlorine gas or whatever, it's an completely open landscape to invent. Hell, it'd be neat if the game had an "ending"; you survive whatever challenges are tossed at you and get to join the Sardaukar.

I have little hopes that this is going to be more than sci-fi flavored Conan Exiles. It's not a good setting for the stock survival game. Also, ♥♥♥♥ Funcom forever.

[River]

Nguyên văn bởi Rotpar:

Arrakis is a single biome world. 100% desert. There are no distant jungles, no cold alpine areas; no rivers, seas, or lakes. This is going to be a very boring game to look at. I love the desert but there is going to be functionally no variety in this game; it's going to be sand dunes, rocks, and maybe even salt plains if we're lucky.

This is actually such a big problem, that it gives me hope that we're getting something awesome. Varied landscape is such an obviously important aspect to a game, and so completely impossible on Arrakis. There's no way Funcom doesn't know this, which I'm hoping means they have a cool solution. What could it be? Well, the game is tagged as an MMO. A lot of developers incorrectly put that tag on games that aren't actually MMOs, but as far as I know Conan Exiles doesn't use that tag, which means to me that Funcom actually understands what it means. How are they going to make a survival game massively multiplayer? Anything with base building and destruction needs a lot of space for players to spread out into. They could just make the map bigger (or infinite, with procedural generation or something) but that seems inelegant. My hope is on this game including space travel.

Allow for any number and variety of planets that can be built on. Those more lawful planets could even be PvE only. Arrakis would essentially be a PvP zone, where players go to fight over access to spice, a resource only found there, but essential (and therefore valuable) to the operation of the rest of the universe. Arrakis base building would be more temporary, more similar to camps. They mentioned a storm that would wipe out sections of the desert, changing the geography and resources, which suggests that long term base building isn't practical.

This is all absolutely wild speculation and fantasy, but it solves a lot of the concerns. Problems with full PvP, lack of biome diversity, even lack of character customization (wear what you want on your home planet) all go away with space travel.

[Silverbane7]

There is *some diversity in the biome for Dune, but it is within a small variance.
The are the areas of civilisation, such as Arrakeen and Carthage, the quant villages on the edges. Those have date palms and grasses (specially adapted versions, mind you, that still take more water in a day, than a poor Arrakeen family uses in a year)

Then there are the basic desert zones (ones where general spice mining takes place) such as the ones near the Shield Wall.
Then you have the Deep Desert and the Salt plane, the southern polar regions (marked 'forbidden' on the maps) and the northern polar cap where ice is extracted by the water sellers (and the Smugglers lol)
Yeah....its all desert. But there are slight changes.

The standard survival game rout of 'punch tree/collect sticks + collect stones = make stone tools = kill wildlife = leather gear' does not work as Arrakis does not have anything large enough to give you leather.
Donkeys and mules were tried at first (from the dune encyclopaedia, so grain of salt/sand lol) but fitting them, or ANY domesticated animals with custom crafted stilsuits was cost prohibitive.
So its pretty much hares/bats/birds of prey/mice and a few insects.
That's likely why the Fremen developed 'Spice Fiber' for cloth, furnishings and clothing.
Wood is super rare, and handed down among families in the tribes.
Metal is also rare, though less so than wood.
Glass and plastics (again, spice based plastics) are common.

If they (funcom) are going to go the 'naked and alone' starting route, the only option I can see, if they are restricting us to Arrakis itself... Well, that would be something House Harkonnen would do.
You might start in one of the cites (Arrakeen probably, unless you were connected to the Harkonnen, then it would likely be Carthage) with your basic kit
(Fremkit, Stiltent, stilsuit and maybe a bottle of water and some dried rations)
If you were driven into the desert, or might be sent there by the faction you started with....that might work.

[Noxsa]

Nguyên văn bởi Youri:

Sure your allowed to your opinion.
Apperently they hurt your feelings how the discarded a failed product. (Secret World)
But they also created the great Conan Surival game, which is now in it 10th expension I believe?! But like I said, your allowed to your opinion on Funcom.

Then you start this whole rant on how Dune couldnt be a survival game.
Except Dune is survival in its core. Maybe its not starting naked and run trough the desert.
Maybe your semi noble person crash landed in the dessert with stillsuit and all.
So much negativity with out us knowing anything at all... Oh well cant expect anything less in todays world.

you did not got the news did you, they royaly Fed conan survival game, by adding a battlepass and crom coin shop. funcom does what funcom does and that's killing IPs slowly.

[Kankaku]

Hopefully it doesn't follow the generic "survival game" mechanics and brings something completely new to the table. I believe it will and I believe that's why it got greenlit in the first place.

[PickleRick]

Nguyên văn bởi Silverbane7:

The are the areas of civilisation
Basic desert zones
Polar regions

Cave Systems
And space, many fremen were promised showers and wealth in merc/smuggler work off world.

[Kaezeribato]

Nguyên văn bởi River:

How are they going to make a survival game massively multiplayer? Anything with base building and destruction needs a lot of space for players to spread out into. They could just make the map bigger (or infinite, with procedural generation or something) but that seems inelegant.

I would love if they used the tech Star Citizen use to make planet, and gave is an Arakis that is literaly thousand of km large.

[Ellorien]

I think it will be more focused on base building/defense, alliances and spice mining/trading than anything else. Lots of underground caves, ancient labs and temples to explore and plunder, lots of sietches and smuggler camps to visit. That might solve the single biome problem.
Hire workers (or enslave?) to work for you — you need people to operate your harvesters and ornithopters, produce spice fiber, make clothes and stilsuits, food, weapons etc.
Here we go again — hunt for better thralls, craftsmen and fighters.

Any base must be underground, sietch-like. With windtraps, water reservoirs etc.

[UnholyDentist]

I don't think there's a point to complain, white knights will just ♥♥♥♥ on you on public forums and devs don't care. Let them ♥♥♥♥ it up, and then we leave a negative feedback then move on and play something else.

[UnholyDentist]

Nguyên văn bởi Kaezeribato:

Nguyên văn bởi UnholyDentist:

I don't think there's a point to complain, white knights will just ♥♥♥♥ on you on public forums and devs don't care. Let them ♥♥♥♥ it up, and then we leave a negative feedback then move on and play something else.

You must be quite stupid if already decided to leave a negative feedback for a game you know nothing about beside that it'll be a MMO...

Learn to read?

Nguyên văn bởi UnholyDentist:

Let them ♥♥♥♥ it up, and then we leave a negative feedback then move on and play something else.

Means IF they screw it up, we leave negative feedback.

[UnholyDentist]

Nguyên văn bởi Kaezeribato:

Nguyên văn bởi UnholyDentist:

Learn to read?





Means IF they screw it up, we leave negative feedback.

There is no if, so you literaly stated that you will leave one...

You misunderstood what I wrote, so I explained what I meant, but you are stubborn, because you don't like to be wrong, like most people. Fine, have it your way.

[MEGACHAD]

Nguyên văn bởi Rotpar:

First off, it's Funcom--♥♥♥♥ them. They destroyed the Secret World and alienated an incredibly loyal fanbase by making a dumbed-down, lootbox-powered version of it . . . that received ONE update and still has less content than the original. They never deserve a dime.

That aside; either this game really needs to reinvent the wheel or it's a horrible setting for the established survival game formula. Being Dune could make the game actually brilliant but I have almost zero faith in it.

It's not a good setting for the stock survival game. .

Dune is the perfect setting for an open PVP game.

[Krakencrotch]

Nguyên văn bởi Youri:

Sure your allowed to your opinion.
Apperently they hurt your feelings how the discarded a failed product. (Secret World)
But they also created the great Conan Surival game, which is now in it 10th expension I believe?! But like I said, your allowed to your opinion on Funcom.

Then you start this whole rant on how Dune couldnt be a survival game.
Except Dune is survival in its core. Maybe its not starting naked and run trough the desert.
Maybe your semi noble person crash landed in the dessert with stillsuit and all.
So much negativity with out us knowing anything at all... Oh well cant expect anything less in todays world.

Have you actually read the books? Forget even that Arrakis is an unnaturally barren wasteland that doesn't actually have anything useful to forage. Forget the worms, even. You know the desert isn't actually a no man's land, right? It's Fremen territory, and they *thrive* in it. A big part of why they're so successful is their secrecy, which they maintain by, among other things, murdering the ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who comes close. This is why Dune is such a terrible setting for an MMO, survival or no: thousands of randos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around in the desert could only do so with the Fremen's permission, and that's just absurd.

[Setian]

Ripping on Funcom right of the bat... how useless and toxic can someone be? With a attitude like that I wouldn't listen to you if I were a developer...

I don't even think Funcom is that bad.
Every pub/dev has made mistakes in the past.

[Kaezeribato]

Nguyên văn bởi Setian:

Ripping on Funcom right of the bat... how useless and toxic can someone be? With a attitude like that I wouldn't listen to you if I were a developer...

I don't even think Funcom is that bad.
Every pub/dev has made mistakes in the past.

People lvoe to blame small or avearge publisher for what the dev dow with their game. Look at GameForge, many people blame them for when some of their game were closed by the dev themself.

Nguyên văn bởi Krakencrotch:

Have you actually read the books?

We dont have many info on the game, so it could be good or bad. Survival dont mean gathering every rock and tree you see, many survival dont have these kind of things.
It certainly wont be 1:1 to the book, but it could be a good adaptation. I at least hope it will not be an Amazon tier adaptation.

[PickleRick]

Nguyên văn bởi Krakencrotch:

Nguyên văn bởi Youri:

Sure your allowed to your opinion.
Apperently they hurt your feelings how the discarded a failed product. (Secret World)
But they also created the great Conan Surival game, which is now in it 10th expension I believe?! But like I said, your allowed to your opinion on Funcom.

Then you start this whole rant on how Dune couldnt be a survival game.
Except Dune is survival in its core. Maybe its not starting naked and run trough the desert.
Maybe your semi noble person crash landed in the dessert with stillsuit and all.
So much negativity with out us knowing anything at all... Oh well cant expect anything less in todays world.

Have you actually read the books? Forget even that Arrakis is an unnaturally barren wasteland that doesn't actually have anything useful to forage. Forget the worms, even. You know the desert isn't actually a no man's land, right? It's Fremen territory, and they *thrive* in it. A big part of why they're so successful is their secrecy, which they maintain by, among other things, murdering the ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who comes close. This is why Dune is such a terrible setting for an MMO, survival or no: thousands of randos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around in the desert could only do so with the Fremen's permission, and that's just absurd.

Lots of fremen get banished and had to adapt and survive somehow(groups), thats how they learned to ride worms. Dune is one of the planets in the universe that produces tough as nails people from SURVIVING there. Trying to argue that is nonsense.