Season 14: Harpoon gun as a weapon is practically worthless

[Japtain Cack]

They have been on a mission to nerf harpoons since it's inception. I remember when the harpoon first came out, it was useful, you could latch onto practically anything. Now it's like a bad claw game. It's practically impossible to get the harpoon to latch onto anything. The Burning Blade harpoons are worthless to no end.

Enter the harpoon gun. This takes up a whole weapon slot. Want to harpoon across your ship, sorry you can't do that. Want to harpoon up to the crows nest, you can't do that either. The harpoon gun is basically useless for mobility purposes on a boat. The "latch points" have been even more drastically reduced and the range is abysmal. It's only use is pulling players to you, but you can't swap weapons fast enough and just gets you killed instead. You can't even use it to get on other ships from the water because of how jenky it is. This should be a utility item like the shovel, not a weapon.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by sinjamin:

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

I've been bringing grapple gun + blowpipe just for the novelty, but in an actual fight they're next to worthless. Even against NPCs, the grapple does basically no damage and the blowpipe only has 4 of each shot, mostly damage over time

damage doesnt matter as much with the harpoon as its just mobility,

That's what I'm saying. It's not really good in a fight.

but 90% of its use goes out the window when you realize you cant barely grapple onto boats,

I climbed up the back deck of a galleon just fine, and it's really good for reaching ladders of moving ships. Or just your own from a distance.

it has horrible range,

Almost as much range as the harpoons. What are you expecting here?

the harpoons arent recollectable,

They don't need to be, that would give it infinite ammo. And enemies drop ammo bags all the time.

and youre forced to stick to one play style of either long range with sniper or only close range with blunder/sword which both are just impossible to do against a 1v2+.

You shouldn't be in a 1v2 anyway, if possible. If I'm solo slooping and I'm getting boarded, I switch to the blunderbuss, not the grapple gun. If I'm boarding someone else, I'll either sabotage and hide, or just do it with another crewmate.

just feels like a gimmick weapon/tool i wont use because cannons are better in almost everyway

It's a gamechanger on islands. Huge speed buff, huge climbing buff, and all you need to do is remember the ammo box locations. It's also super fast at climbing the sovereign tower. And you can even use it to negate fall damage, or pull back down if you overshoot an island (just not with boats)

[Camel Tony]

Originally posted by Japtain Cack:

They have been on a mission to nerf harpoons since it's inception. I remember when the harpoon first came out, it was useful, you could latch onto practically anything. Now it's like a bad claw game. It's practically impossible to get the harpoon to latch onto anything. The Burning Blade harpoons are worthless to no end.

Enter the harpoon gun. This takes up a whole weapon slot. Want to harpoon across your ship, sorry you can't do that. Want to harpoon up to the crows nest, you can't do that either. The harpoon gun is basically useless for mobility purposes on a boat. The "latch points" have been even more drastically reduced and the range is abysmal. It's only use is pulling players to you, but you can't swap weapons fast enough and just gets you killed instead. You can't even use it to get on other ships from the water because of how jenky it is. This should be a utility item like the shovel, not a weapon.

agree 110%

[sinjamin]

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

You shouldn't be in a 1v2 anyway, if possible.

what..? so what do you suggest i do? ask the galleon im boarding to 1v1 me because i chose the harpoon gun? theres no reason for the harpoon gun to be THIS punishing when its THIS horrible. its clear you have zero idea what youre even talking about. "same range as regular harpoons" what?? go test it right now, and tell me its even CLOSE in range, im willing to bet $100 its not

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by sinjamin:

what..? so what do you suggest i do? ask the galleon im boarding to 1v1 me because i chose the harpoon gun? theres no reason for the harpoon gun to be THIS punishing when its THIS horrible. its clear you have zero idea what youre even talking about. "same range as regular harpoons" what?? go test it right now, and tell me its even CLOSE in range, im willing to bet $100 its not

If you're playing solo you probably shouldn't be boarding in the first place or at least not expecting to kill them all, and if you're not playing solo then your crew should be helping you

[sinjamin]

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

Originally posted by sinjamin:

what..? so what do you suggest i do? ask the galleon im boarding to 1v1 me because i chose the harpoon gun? theres no reason for the harpoon gun to be THIS punishing when its THIS horrible. its clear you have zero idea what youre even talking about. "same range as regular harpoons" what?? go test it right now, and tell me its even CLOSE in range, im willing to bet $100 its not

If you're playing solo you probably shouldn't be boarding in the first place or at least not expecting to kill them all, and if you're not playing solo then your crew should be helping you

why would your crew

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

Originally posted by sinjamin:

what..? so what do you suggest i do? ask the galleon im boarding to 1v1 me because i chose the harpoon gun? theres no reason for the harpoon gun to be THIS punishing when its THIS horrible. its clear you have zero idea what youre even talking about. "same range as regular harpoons" what?? go test it right now, and tell me its even CLOSE in range, im willing to bet $100 its not

If you're playing solo you probably shouldn't be boarding in the first place or at least not expecting to kill them all, and if you're not playing solo then your crew should be helping you

you dont even own the game, if you did and had any significant amount of time on the game, youd know its a completely dumb idea to send multiple boarders in most scenarios

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by sinjamin:

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

If you're playing solo you probably shouldn't be boarding in the first place or at least not expecting to kill them all, and if you're not playing solo then your crew should be helping you

why would your crew

Because that's what crews are for.

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

If you're playing solo you probably shouldn't be boarding in the first place or at least not expecting to kill them all, and if you're not playing solo then your crew should be helping you

you dont even own the game, if you did and had any significant amount of time on the game,

I have it on the xbox pc app. My time played is 983 hours.

youd know its a completely dumb idea to send multiple boarders in most scenarios

It doesn't have to be multiple boarders. If your crew is applying pressure from a distance, or sniping enemies, they're split up and distracted so it won't be a 2v1.

[sinjamin]

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

Originally posted by sinjamin:

why would your crew

Because that's what crews are for.

you dont even own the game, if you did and had any significant amount of time on the game,

I have it on the xbox pc app. My time played is 983 hours.

youd know its a completely dumb idea to send multiple boarders in most scenarios

It doesn't have to be multiple boarders. If your crew is applying pressure from a distance, or sniping enemies, they're split up and distracted so it won't be a 2v1.

on a galleon, one person is repairing, two people are focusing boarders, and one person is shooting cannons. it will ALWAYS be a 2v1 if they even have the slightest clue how to play the game. expecting someone to hit every snipe and oneball from long distance is just impossible and comes down to pure luck because of bullet velocity, hitreg, and bullet drop.
like i said, clearly you have no idea what youre talking about. im not saying every player i come across is a god and that makes the harpoon gun useless, im saying the skill floor is so high that numbers will always win against a harpoon gun. its not hard to multitask and kill a boarder, i mained bilge and could consistently kill people while almost second deck and not even 5 seconds away from sinking. when phuzzybond, a streamer that is known for being horrible at pvp, is complaining about the harpoon gun being useless, you KNOW its bad

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by sinjamin:

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

Because that's what crews are for.


I have it on the xbox pc app. My time played is 983 hours.


It doesn't have to be multiple boarders. If your crew is applying pressure from a distance, or sniping enemies, they're split up and distracted so it won't be a 2v1.

on a galleon, one person is repairing, two people are focusing boarders, and one person is shooting cannons. it will ALWAYS be a 2v1 if they even have the slightest clue how to play the game.

If only one person is shooting cannons, that doesn't sound very efficient. And if there's two people focusing boarders, wouldn't the correct counterplay be to have more people on cannons so the one guy on repairs can't keep up? In fact, with that setup, nobody is boarding, so you can swap the two boarder blockers for two cannoneers.

2v1 just doesn't sound like a reasonable situation. you shouldn't EXPECT to win a 2v1, especially when the repairman and the cannoneer could just as easily make it a 4v1. As a boarder, your job should be to stall and harass, not actually kill the entire crew.

[sinjamin]

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

Originally posted by sinjamin:

on a galleon, one person is repairing, two people are focusing boarders, and one person is shooting cannons. it will ALWAYS be a 2v1 if they even have the slightest clue how to play the game.

If only one person is shooting cannons, that doesn't sound very efficient. And if there's two people focusing boarders, wouldn't the correct counterplay be to have more people on cannons so the one guy on repairs can't keep up? In fact, with that setup, nobody is boarding, so you can swap the two boarder blockers for two cannoneers.

2v1 just doesn't sound like a reasonable situation. you shouldn't EXPECT to win a 2v1, especially when the repairman and the cannoneer could just as easily make it a 4v1. As a boarder, your job should be to stall and harass, not actually kill the entire crew.

when someone is boarding, yes, helm and flex is guarding for boarders, this is literally common knowledge and used across every gally hourglass fight. go watch a youtube video or something, im not gonna argue with you about role dispersion. as a boarder, I am putting pressure on them, that's my job, and having only 1 weapon option to put pressure on a team isnt possible with a harpoon gun. harpoon gun is useless in pvp, and pve, the only use it has is climbing cliffs on islands.

being able to win a 1v2+ is skill expression, but there's no skill expression when you're so handicapped you're useless in fights

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by sinjamin:

harpoon gun is useless in pvp, and pve, handicapped you're useless in fights

It's not useless as a tool, it's useless as a weapon. It's not a combat weapon, it's a tucking tool.

You can also use it to pull people off their/your ship, granted whether or not that's actually helpful is situational of course.

What really sucks is that it seems to have no effect on NPCs at all. But that's why you have two weapon slots.

[sinjamin]

Originally posted by Batabii • Echoes of Wisdom:

Originally posted by sinjamin:

harpoon gun is useless in pvp, and pve, handicapped you're useless in fights

It's not useless as a tool, it's useless as a weapon. It's not a combat weapon, it's a tucking tool.

You can also use it to pull people off their/your ship, granted whether or not that's actually helpful is situational of course.

What really sucks is that it seems to have no effect on NPCs at all. But that's why you have two weapon slots.

I didn't call it a weapon, stop with the technicality bs, it's USELESS IN PVP. it doesn't do its job well at all as a "tucking tool" considering it's louder than any sound on the ship and isn't going to be any better than just using the ladder to board. that's also not what the harpoon gun was even advertised as, the trailer literally shows them using it to board another ship, and using it to travel across an island. there's absolutely zero reason why anyone would take it over any weapon combo other than to move across an island very slightly faster.

[spliff]

uhm... yes?! it's obviously a tool, not a weapon. it's a grappling hook, and i'm already in love with it. grappling loot, zooming over the map, reaching high ground easily..

it rocks! :-D

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by spliff:

uhm... yes?! it's obviously a tool, not a weapon. it's a grappling hook, and i'm already in love with it. grappling loot, zooming over the map, reaching high ground easily..

it rocks! :-D

That's what I was saying

[Letadlo10]

You can use harpoon gun to take kegs with you while shooting yourself out of a cannon. But you have to harpoon the keg mid air :)

[spliff]

Originally posted by Letadlo10:

You can use harpoon gun to take kegs with you while shooting yourself out of a cannon. But you have to harpoon the keg mid air :)

great tip, i like this! :-)