I feel bad for JJ abrams.

[dprog1995]

It looks like that he wanted to make a great Star Wars movie but Lucasfilm and Disney didn't allow him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/

It sounds somehow true since TROS is complete a messy movie.

I personally think that he could make great star wars movies. I enjoyed LOST series.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by Klogg:

TROS? More like TRASH.
Thanks for destroying a part of my childhood, Disney!

You still have your childhood though.

Just rewatch Star Wars movies that you like.

[Sunsetter]

Yeah, poor guy... wiping his tears away with dollar bills.

[Marshal]

TROS was the best of the sequels in my eyes, big props to JJ. Only critics who liked Last Jedi seem to say otherwise, because audience scores are solid for the most part around 86%

[Klogg]

Originally posted by The Senate:

TROS was the best of the sequels in my eyes, big props to JJ. Only critics who liked Last Jedi seem to say otherwise, because audience scores are solid for the most part around 86%

It's even worse than The Last Jedi, and that's much to say.

[Marshal]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by The Senate:

TROS was the best of the sequels in my eyes, big props to JJ. Only critics who liked Last Jedi seem to say otherwise, because audience scores are solid for the most part around 86%

Who cares about scores anyway.(Since people that hadn't watch any star wars in their life can enjoy this movie. Kids can also enjoy bad movies such as Batman and Robin.)

ROS is a disaster that messed up star wars lore so badly. That movie shows how much of a joke the new story team at Lucasfilm are.

I watched OT and Prequels for a long time, there was no sequels I'm just not as naive and can accept change and at the same time am happy that TROS didn't have to let the past die completely like Last Jedi was trying to do. Maybe you should rewatch the films again and not let your nostalgia blind you like I did. You're the type of fan I despise. Saying that only people who never watched star wars beforehand can't like the sequels is foolish, many did and in fact it's better than the prequels except revenge of the sith which was well made.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by The Senate:

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Who cares about scores anyway.(Since people that hadn't watch any star wars in their life can enjoy this movie. Kids can also enjoy bad movies such as Batman and Robin.)

ROS is a disaster that messed up star wars lore so badly. That movie shows how much of a joke the new story team at Lucasfilm are.

I watched OT and Prequels for a long time, there was no sequels I'm just not as naive and can accept change and at the same time am happy that TROS didn't have to let the past die completely like Last Jedi was trying to do. Maybe you should rewatch the films again and not let your nostalgia blind you like I did. You're the type of fan I despise. Saying that only people who never watched star wars beforehand can't like the sequels is foolish, many did and in fact it's better than the prequels except revenge of the sith which was well made.

All Prequels are far better than sequel trilogy.

The prequels never made the Original Trilogy story and character arcs pointless. It expanded Star Wars from what it was. Also PT at least had a idea that how the force really works unlike Disney Trilogy.

The only hate that prequels get are from the fans that just wanted to get some dumb movies full of lasers and explosions.
So those fans just decided to nit pick prequels to death in order to criticize them.(Which is completely stupid since by nit picking you can completely destroy every movie and even OT movies)
Those fans also criticized prequels for not having enough fan service stuff in them.(Which is why they prefer clone wars over them since clone wars is filled with fan service stuff.)

If something, Disney has proved that using fan service in movies result in much weaker storylines.

[UnrealDelusion]

JJ Abrahams is a terrible writer/director he destroys every classic franchise he touches. First was Star Trek then Star Wars and one can only be scared for what he will destroy next

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by UnrealDelusion:

JJ Abrahams is a terrible writer/director he destroys every classic franchise he touches. First was Star Trek then Star Wars and one can only be scared for what he will destroy next

He did a good job with LOST though.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by The Senate:

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Who cares about scores anyway.(Since people that hadn't watch any star wars in their life can enjoy this movie. Kids can also enjoy bad movies such as Batman and Robin.)

ROS is a disaster that messed up star wars lore so badly. That movie shows how much of a joke the new story team at Lucasfilm are.

I watched OT and Prequels for a long time, there was no sequels I'm just not as naive and can accept change and at the same time am happy that TROS didn't have to let the past die completely like Last Jedi was trying to do. Maybe you should rewatch the films again and not let your nostalgia blind you like I did. You're the type of fan I despise. Saying that only people who never watched star wars beforehand can't like the sequels is foolish, many did and in fact it's better than the prequels except revenge of the sith which was well made.

Last Jedi wasn’t about letting the past die, though. That was what Kylo Ren, the villain, wanted to do. It was about learning from failure. Which is a bit ironically the same theme as Fallen Order.

The themes of TLJ are actually really good, the problem is the humor, some weird story decisions, and it tries to resolve too many things for being a middle film.

In comparison, I think the theme for TROS is supposed to be that where you come from doesn’t determine your destiny. Except, Rey’s power is only explained by her bloodline so that kind of ruins the message. As does her changing her last name at the end since, according to the message, it shouldn’t matter what her name is.

[Pnume]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by UnrealDelusion:

JJ Abrahams is a terrible writer/director he destroys every classic franchise he touches. First was Star Trek then Star Wars and one can only be scared for what he will destroy next

He did a good job with LOST though.

Lost was interesting in the 1st season, suspicious in the 2nd and then after that it was clear he had absolutely no idea what he was doing with the story and that it was written on the go. This show was a complete disapointment.

[Brutus Mars]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by The Senate:

I watched OT and Prequels for a long time, there was no sequels I'm just not as naive and can accept change and at the same time am happy that TROS didn't have to let the past die completely like Last Jedi was trying to do. Maybe you should rewatch the films again and not let your nostalgia blind you like I did. You're the type of fan I despise. Saying that only people who never watched star wars beforehand can't like the sequels is foolish, many did and in fact it's better than the prequels except revenge of the sith which was well made.

All Prequels are far better than sequel trilogy.

The prequels never made the Original Trilogy story and character arcs pointless. It expanded Star Wars from what it was. Also PT at least had a idea that how the force really works unlike Disney Trilogy.

The only hate that prequels get are from the fans that just wanted to get some dumb movies full of lasers and explosions.
So those fans just decided to nit pick prequels to death in order to criticize them.(Which is completely stupid since by nit picking you can completely destroy every movie and even OT movies)
Those fans also criticized prequels for not having enough fan service stuff in them.(Which is why they prefer clone wars over them since clone wars is filled with fan service stuff.)

If something, Disney has proved that using fan service in movies result in much weaker storylines.

I think the Prequels were very well planned. The plot was very strong. My problem with it is how clunky and awkward the dialogue is at times (and the lighting in a lot of the movies felt so unnatural, but idrc). They weren't very well-made, but they were incredibly well-planned, and that's really important. Nothing felt planned in the sequels. Like, honestly nothing.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Brutus Mars:

Originally posted by dprog1995:

All Prequels are far better than sequel trilogy.

The prequels never made the Original Trilogy story and character arcs pointless. It expanded Star Wars from what it was. Also PT at least had a idea that how the force really works unlike Disney Trilogy.

The only hate that prequels get are from the fans that just wanted to get some dumb movies full of lasers and explosions.
So those fans just decided to nit pick prequels to death in order to criticize them.(Which is completely stupid since by nit picking you can completely destroy every movie and even OT movies)
Those fans also criticized prequels for not having enough fan service stuff in them.(Which is why they prefer clone wars over them since clone wars is filled with fan service stuff.)

If something, Disney has proved that using fan service in movies result in much weaker storylines.

I think the Prequels were very well planned. The plot was very strong. My problem with it is how clunky and awkward the dialogue is at times (and the lighting in a lot of the movies felt so unnatural, but idrc). They weren't very well-made, but they were incredibly well-planned, and that's really important. Nothing felt planned in the sequels. Like, honestly nothing.

The prequels were a mess, but they were George Lucas’s mess. He had a story he wanted to tell, and he planned and told it the way he wanted it to be told.

[Brutus Mars]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Brutus Mars:

I think the Prequels were very well planned. The plot was very strong. My problem with it is how clunky and awkward the dialogue is at times (and the lighting in a lot of the movies felt so unnatural, but idrc). They weren't very well-made, but they were incredibly well-planned, and that's really important. Nothing felt planned in the sequels. Like, honestly nothing.

The prequels were a mess, but they were George Lucas’s mess. He had a story he wanted to tell, and he planned and told it the way he wanted it to be told.

Very well-put. They were a mess, but it was a Star Wars mess. The only Star Wars problem with it I saw was the midichlorian explanation in Phantom Menace, but everything else was just movie problems.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Originally posted by UnrealDelusion:

JJ Abrahams is a terrible writer/director he destroys every classic franchise he touches. First was Star Trek then Star Wars and one can only be scared for what he will destroy next

You can't tell the difference of George Lucas and JJ Abrams, why am I not surprised?

[Brutus Mars]

Originally posted by härlęy♡mąTřix:

Originally posted by UnrealDelusion:

JJ Abrahams is a terrible writer/director he destroys every classic franchise he touches. First was Star Trek then Star Wars and one can only be scared for what he will destroy next

You can't tell the difference of George Lucas and JJ Abrams, why am I not surprised?

what?