Final Bossfight is disappointing ! (SPOILERS!)

[dprog1995]

Vader is just a powerful unbeatable Sith that is following you around and could teleport around the base which was pretty stupid.

It's also disappointing that Cal can't defeat Vader.(Or even fight him at all.)

Luke in episode 6 with few months training by himself managed to overpower Vader.(Vader didn't "Allow" Luke to defeat him and cut his hand off, Luke managed to overpower him. Even in the end Vader couldn't handle Luke's lightsaber blows.)

But Cal couldn't do anything despite being a Jedi Knight in the end of the game. It's like the writers decided to make Vader appear super badass to please Vader fanboys.(They chose fan service over good storytelling.)

Unfortunately those Vader fans believe that Vader should be this invincible Sith lord in the whole story.(Which he really wasn't. Vader is the weak and limited version of Anakin. A punishment he faced for turning to the darkside.)

I am one of the few guys that believe that Vader's scene at the end of Rogue One was pure fan service.
If Vader was really that powerful he would have actually fought like that at the beginning of episode 4 rather than walking in Tantive 4 after the Stormtroopers have taken care of Rebels. Or he would at very least kill some Rebels like that in Battle of Hoth.

So Vader shouldn't be that stupid powerful.

imo if Respawn actually made Vader attacking Cal with the help of an army of elite Stormtroopers it would make the escape scene much better than the way it was.

[Mindset]

Sorry bud, but he's been granted the most powerful in-game mechanic of all time:
Canonical plot armor

(Besides, do you honestly expect a retrained jed padawan to take on THAT juggernaut on an even playing field?)

[Lerolim]

I'm glad they did it this way. The entire game Cal is pretty much learning how to become a Jedi and suddenly he's up against Vader, who almost became a Jedi Master and was taught by Palpatine. I was half expecting them to give Cal main character plot armor and look like he had a chance of defeating Vader. Cal going up against Trilla was iffy enough.

[southparkdudez]

You really enjoyed the Last Jedi didn't you?

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Luke's affinity to the Force superior to Cal's? He is Anakin's son after all.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by Light Yagami:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Luke's affinity to the Force superior to Cal's? He is Anakin's son after all.

Maybe Luke is more powerful than Cal in the force, but Cal manages to survive far more dangerous encounters against the imperial stormtroopers and other enemies compare to Luke in episodes 4-6.

-Luke didn't even fight 2 AT-STs at the same time by only lightsaber and the force.

-Luke didn't fight 5-6 of those big droids at the same time.

-Luke fought Jabbas thugs with the lightsaber but didn't have any lightsaber fight with imperial troopers.(Other than taking down one guy that had a swoop bike)
On the otherhand Cal fights far more better trained troopers.
Luke was also wounded by a thugs blaster while Cal never had any wounds from the imperial troopers.(So in story he did beat them without getting hit)

-Luke didn't even beat Boba Fett, Han defeated Boba Fett. Cal on the otherhand managed to beat a Boba Fett wannabe bounty hunter that had a help from a giant deadly droid.

-Luke defeated a Rancor but Cal managed to defeat far more powerful creatures that were faster and were in bigger numbers. That Bat creature that Cal defeated was more powerful than that Rancor.

-Cal also defeated a fallen Jedi master on Dathomir.(Joruus C'baoth of the Disney canon)
Cal was really powerful enough to beat a trained Jedi.
Yeah, Cal had help in that fight but Luke does have help in nearly all of his encounter with Jabbas thugs.

-Cal could also slow the time which was an ability that Luke didn't have in the movies.

Originally posted by Mindset:

(Besides, do you honestly expect a retrained jed padawan to take on THAT juggernaut on an even playing field?)

Cal wasn't some ordinary Padawan though. He is strong in the force and even has some special force ability that the game says that it's rare among the jedis.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Keep in mind Fallen Order is around 20 years before that fight with Luke. I’d imagine Vader’s strength probably deteriorates relatively quickly due to being nearly burned alive and essentially living on constant life support.

Luke also goes through the same Vader treatment as Cal in ESB.

A padawan only gaining a Knight level mastery of the force minutes prior, being able to beat Vader, would also make Vader seem incredibly lame.

[ONISAIBOT]

I'd much rather have this new boy struggle against literally the second most feared individual in the galaxy, instead of steamrolling him, like some new-fashioned sequel Mary Sue.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

I'd imagine Yoda himself has far better experience on the field than all three of them. Yet, it still came down to Luke. They've set this up a long time ago, I'm not surprised in the least, quite honestly.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by ONISAIBOT:

I'd much rather have this new boy struggle against literally the second most feared individual in the galaxy, instead of steamrolling him, like some new-fashioned sequel Mary Sue.

If he would defeat Vader he wouldn't become a Gary Stu because:

1.He was trained to be a Jedi from childhood.
2.You as the player help him to gain a lot of combat and force power experience.
3.He was also strong in the force.
4.And Vader's potential is limited due to the wounds of Mustafar battle and the suit that the emperor made to limit his powers.

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Keep in mind Fallen Order is around 20 years before that fight with Luke. I’d imagine Vader’s strength probably deteriorates relatively quickly due to being nearly burned alive and essentially living on constant life support.

Luke also goes through the same Vader treatment as Cal in ESB.

A padawan only gaining a Knight level mastery of the force minutes prior, being able to beat Vader, would also make Vader seem incredibly lame.

I don't think age really made Vader weak. Since in episode 6 he was around 40 years old.

At very least in ESB, Luke managed to inflict some damage on Vader while poor Cal never got any even though that he should have been able to at least fight a little instead of being thrown around like a doll.

[The Commendatore]

That's hardly bad story-telling. It would make even less sense for a recently knighted Jedi Padawan who re-learned his powers to defeat Vader who has way more (understatement) experience in lightsaber combat and the Force. Just because Cal knows a rare Force ability doesn't mean he can reach Vader's level of connection/strength in the Force. And since the game is canon, Vader will outright block Force Stop if you try to use it on him. Vader's on a completely different level and out of Cal's league.

Not to mention you're underselling Luke here a lot by ignoring his feats in the new canon novels and comics. Same goes for Vader.

And yes, Luke overpowered Vader in RotJ by tapping into the Dark Side--something that was the whole point of Palpatine's plan.

[dprog1995]

I also remember that Jarec was as powerful as Darth Vader and yet Kyle Katarn managed to defeat him by training himself a little.

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

And yes, Luke overpowered Vader in RotJ by tapping into the Dark Side--something that was the whole point of Palpatine's plan.

But the whole point of Star Wars was this that using the dark side doesn't make you actually stronger. It will make you more aggressive and more careless.

-Obi Wan used his anger to fight Maul but it nearly got him killed.
-Anakin used his anger in his fight against Obi Wan and that allowed Obi Wan to defeat him in the battle.

So Luke really could have defeat Vader without using his anger.(And he had no problem blocing all of his attacks when he was fighting in defense style.)

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

I also remember that Jarec was as powerful as Darth Vader and yet Kyle Katarn managed to defeat him by training himself a little.

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

And yes, Luke overpowered Vader in RotJ by tapping into the Dark Side--something that was the whole point of Palpatine's plan.

But the whole point of Star Wars was this that using the dark side doesn't make you actually stronger. It will make you more aggressive and more careless.

-Obi Wan used his anger to fight Maul but it nearly got him killed.
-Anakin used his anger in his fight against Obi Wan and that allowed Obi Wan to defeat him in the battle.

So Luke really could have defeat Vader without using his anger.(And he had no problem blocing all of his attacks when he was fighting in defense style.)

Luke was being careless when he cut off Vader’s arm. He became a Jedi when he realized he was using the dark side and refused to kill Vader and use that power any longer.

The Dark Side is a quick way to gain power, but only in short term. The dark side slowly eats away at your physical body over time making you weaker.

The light side is stronger in the long run, but it takes time and immense patience to achieve that strength. You also can’t be in it for the purpose of gaining that power.

The dark side is using the force to improve the self, in worth, physicality, or politically. The dark side is a pyramid built upon the shoulders of those who came before, and everyone seeks to become the capstone. Darwinism.

The light side is seeking knowledge of the force so that you can teach others. The penitent Jedi spread a consciousness of the universe so that all life can benefit from their teachings, and become more in tune with nature. It is purely self-less. Taoism.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Another way to look at it is:

The dark side is attempting to challenge fate. While the light side is accepting and pursuing it.

[dprog1995]

Even if Luke managed to beat Vader by his anger, this whole overpowering Vader for his fanboys just ruins episodes 4-6.

-Why Vader didn't have a rampage kill at the beginning of episode 4 similar to Rogue one hallway scene ?

-Why Vader didn't force pulled the millennium falcon in the echo base even though that he is powerful enough to do that according to disney canon?

-Why in his fight against obi Wan he was so slow compare to Canon stories ?

-Why Vader couldn't just force grab rebel speeders in the battle of Hoth ?

-Why Vader didn't force push Luke's X Wing to the trench walls in episode 4 ?

-Why he allowed Luke to hit his arm ?

etc.

This whole overpowering Vader just makes him look like an incompetent fool in the movies.

The whole point of Anakin going into the Vader suit was this that that suit was a prison for him that weakens his powers.(That is why he can't kill the emperor.)

That was his punishment for the horrible things he did in episodes 4-6 and yet his fanboys think that he became an overpowered badass sith lord.

Vader was just a slave of the emperor. A broken shadow of his former self. A weak version of Anakin.

[sank]

wow, complain about movie logic, even worst, movies like near 50 years ago. you know how lame fighting scene back there compare to now?

and you get like how many hours of fight in this game compare to the movies? ofc it make cal look more capable.

even stormtrooper aim way better thn the near 100% miss rate in the movies, you gonna ask why? did they get lower pay?

also, emperor > yoda > luke > vader > emperor. lol at the cycle of overpowering.