Player avatar?? No Character builder??

[Fei]

So this is like XCOM where we play a general that control a group? or somekind of invisible entity?
Very impersonal... In both case it sucks and I probably won't buy/play a game without my own avatar.
RPG without proper "roleplay" are mostly bad because writing tend to be forced upon the player and nowaday we know what kind of writing is it...
It became mandatory for me to have my own avatar in RPG, to "insert" myself in these world and adventure, to have choices, to be more concerned and impacted personaly within the story.

[Tajer]

Good question. I'll still buy the game if they don't, but a character creator would be nice. I know their previous games, Shadowrun and Battletech both had this. You created your chatacter, chose their back story and then recruited the other characters.

[Fei]

Originally posted by Tajer:

Good question. I'll still buy the game if they don't, but a character creator would be nice. I know their previous games, Shadowrun and Battletech both had this. You created your chatacter, chose their back story and then recruited the other characters.

Battletech was very limited, and they imposed some terrible sidekick NPC to your crew that couldn't be edited.

[Pdx_Tauriel]

Hi! I see your point of view, but in the Lamplighters League you will be able to play with the characters which are already in the game. This is why there are so many of them! You can pick a few you like most and stick to them while playing. :)

[Fei]

Originally posted by Pdx_Tauriel:

Hi! I see your point of view, but in the Lamplighters League you will be able to play with the characters which are already in the game. This is why there are so many of them! You can pick a few you like most and stick to them while playing. :)

Hello thanks you for the answer.
My "issue" isn't the character available, like you said you guys offer a lage panel in that league and im sure lot of them will be very nice to have along.
But it's not "me".
The league characters got their own look, personality and agenda... And while in some short action game it doesn't bother me to play a character that already has some established life, in a RPG it doesn't works for me.

[kensw]

I agree with the poster - premade characters are just not my thing I like to make my own.
A really good character creator can be half the game.

[drusca]

You get too hung up on char creation. If the game turns out very good are you going to miss out on it just because of this???? You still get to have skills for your chars. And those are more important gameplay wise.

[Fei]

Originally posted by drusca:

You get too hung up on char creation. If the game turns out very good are you going to miss out on it just because of this????

Im rather clear, i don't play RPG that don't provide character builders to create your own avatar.
No matter how good the game is, I didn't baought Disco Elysum because of this.

[kensw]

Originally posted by drusca:

You get too hung up on char creation. If the game turns out very good are you going to miss out on it just because of this???? You still get to have skills for your chars. And those are more important gameplay wise.

No character creator - almost zero chance I will buy - lost sale

[jmvbento]

I'm still not sure where people are getting the idea this is an RPG, because that's definitely not the vibe I've gotten from it.

[kensw]

Originally posted by jmvbento:

I'm still not sure where people are getting the idea this is an RPG, because that's definitely not the vibe I've gotten from it.

Exactly correct - which is why I will probably not buy

[Tajer]

Originally posted by jmvbento:

I'm still not sure where people are getting the idea this is an RPG, because that's definitely not the vibe I've gotten from it.

It's tagged as an RPG on the store page. I think some people don't realize that Steam users are the ones who assign those tags. The description from the devs doesn't mention RPG, and even if it did, not every RPG has character creation. It's not like that's a requirement for the genre. The Witcher is a perfect example.

[jmvbento]

Originally posted by Tajer:

Originally posted by jmvbento:

I'm still not sure where people are getting the idea this is an RPG, because that's definitely not the vibe I've gotten from it.

It's tagged as an RPG on the store page. I think some people don't realize that Steam users are the ones who assign those tags. The description from the devs doesn't mention RPG, and even if it did, not every RPG has character creation. It's not like that's a requirement for the genre. The Witcher is a perfect example.

I keep forgetting tags are thing, because as soon as I learned they were user-assigned I immediately filed them under "useless". XD

Thanks. That at least explains why people would call this an RPG, considering that every bit of info we have is very clear that this game is far more BattleTech-style than Shaodwrun Trilogy-style.

[Fei]

Originally posted by Tajer:

The Witcher is a perfect example.

The Witcher are books, the story, characters are incredibly well written for the game so it works... Even tho Witcher is more an TP action game than a RPG to me.
Anyway, this isn't the rules, this is the exception... Why you didn't picked Elex as exemple instead?

Ultimatly it's their loss, Since Cyberpunk 2077 totaly failed at delivering a proper RPG i was expecting a new Shadowrun from Harebrained.
So nevermind I will be busy with BG3 and RogueTrader.

[Tajer]

Originally posted by Fei:

Originally posted by Tajer:

The Witcher is a perfect example.

The Witcher are books, the story, characters are incredibly well written for the game so it works... Even tho Witcher is more an TP action game than a RPG to me.
Anyway, this isn't the rules, this is the exception... Why you didn't picked Elex as exemple instead?

Ultimatly it's their loss, Since Cyberpunk 2077 totaly failed at delivering a proper RPG i was expecting a new Shadowrun from Harebrained.
So nevermind I will be busy with BG3 and RogueTrader.

Ok, have fun. It's probably not that much of a loss.

[JC]

Originally posted by Tajer:

It's tagged as an RPG on the store page. I think some people don't realize that Steam users are the ones who assign those tags. The description from the devs doesn't mention RPG, and even if it did, not every RPG has character creation. It's not like that's a requirement for the genre. The Witcher is a perfect example.

Exactly, Dungeons of Nahuelbeuk is very similar, you have a squad of pre-mades, the old game super hero game freedom force or the more modern Omerta are all oth prime examples of RPG's in this style.

Personally i can play a game and enjoy it if i make the avatar or not. But lets be real, there are very few Real RPG's where you can play yourself. Starwars galaxies is the closest thing i can think of where you are the character, It's a complete sandbox, you never have to fire a weapon or fly a ship or basically anything, it's even deeper than EVE which is another one, but it's all ship oriented so if your self wants to live on a planet and play junk dealer in a cantina that isn't really an option unless i'm missing something. In SWG You could be everything from a scrap peddler, to a miner, to a bounty hunter, dance, be a doc, the options were endless. RP'n with others and get deep into things and that was only because there were other players you could do that with.

Mass effect and baldur's gate and those style games your not playing yourself,.. Your playing the hero they designate and it just happens to have some character modifications you can do to them, your still going down a directed path.


But hey if OP wants to pass because they can't customize the avatar, ok.. everyone has their own thing right?