There's no actual cutting?

[Will]

You only aim at pre-defined break points and click the mouse to delete it?
You can't make cuts wherever you want?

Why? seems like a huge missed opportunity
obviously I understand you won't be able to just cut anything anywhere but you can't even cut the beams wherever you want? Instead you just "click to make this geometry disappear"? It seriously takes me out of the game seeing long beams simply disappear rather than get cut in the middle where I actually shot it with laser.

[Snaeng]

You did see the splitsaw mode, right?

[Mobscene]

Not sure what game you're playing, but you can definitely cut most of the stuff in Hardspace.

There's a few materials you cant, the main one being Nanocarbon I think. And then Demo Charges can cut those.

Pretty much everything else can be cut with the cutter.

[dreamrider]

You can even cut nanocarbon, if the particular piece's cut value is low enough. "Soft" nanocarbon, I guess.

I assume, since you didn't know how to cut stuff, that you leapt in without doing the tutorial.
Go back, start a new game, and do the integrated Training. You actually get stepped through virtually everything that you can do in the game.

With the additional benefit that you don't have to expose yourself to the ridicule of strangers for not reading the instructions.

[Will]

Originally posted by dreamrider:

You can even cut nanocarbon, if the particular piece's cut value is low enough. "Soft" nanocarbon, I guess.

I assume, since you didn't know how to cut stuff, that you leapt in without doing the tutorial.
Go back, start a new game, and do the integrated Training. You actually get stepped through virtually everything that you can do in the game.

With the additional benefit that you don't have to expose yourself to the ridicule of strangers for not reading the instructions.

I did the tutorial and I already done the first ship. The inner structure of the ship couldn't be cut, I shoot the laser in line mode and it just makes the beams I hit disappear instead of cutting where It hit.

[dreamrider]

There WAS SplitSaw instruction in the tutorial. You just can't split every material. And some lighter items may vaporize even if it is the SplitSaw hitting them. (It is more nuanced than that, but you will learn what items to attempt to Split.) SplitSaw works best on panels, and heavier aluminum structural members - when specifically focused on them.

Some thinner structural members (cuttable, aluminum ones) will always overheat and vaporize when hit with either laser mode.

One trick is to close in with the SplitSaw until the red aiming line ONLY covers / crosses the the one member you want to cut, and there are no dotted lines on either side. Often that will give you a cut on a piece that would otherwise vaporize.

Small pieces / connectors will almost always vaporize. Its just "acceptable wastage".

The Stinger always heats the target item as a whole, to the point of vaporization.

When you put any reticle on a piece of ship, it gives you an info panel that will tell you if that particular item is cuttable. Look at the number of blue dots, and the read the text. Oversimplification: with basic tools, only items showing one blue dot are cuttable, no matter what the material is. (Occasionally there ARE cuttable nanocarbon pieces.)

On the earlier ships, it is not NECESSARY to vaporize ANY structural member, if you take your time and plan your disassembly and cuts. Sometimes it MAY BE more ECONOMICAL to blow away structural member or two.

For instance,you may be faced with a stripped ship frame that you cannot move. You can either: Split it into a few hunks that you can move, which may involve blowing away at least a couple of structural members; or your can take the time to carve sections out of cuttable panels and otherwise remove pieces to get the weight down.
(The initial weight that you can just barely move with the Grappler, with either pull or push, is 3000 Kg.)

When you get tethers, use the hell out of them. They are very cheap, relative to the major hunks of wreck they will move. They are at least 3 times as strong as your Grapple beam.

Don't be afraid to use one tether to move a big hunk either just out of the way of other work, or to a preparatory position for a better pull angle. Then cancel that tether and use another going in another direction for the final pull to the right bin. Tethers are cheap.

[Will]

Originally posted by dreamrider:

There WAS SplitSaw instruction in the tutorial. You just can't split every material. And some lighter items may vaporize even if it is the SplitSaw hitting them. (It is more nuanced than that, but you will learn what items to attempt to Split.) SplitSaw works best on panels, and heavier aluminum structural members - when specifically focused on them.

Some thinner structural members (cuttable, aluminum ones) will always overheat and vaporize when hit with either laser mode.

One trick is to close in with the SplitSaw until the red aiming line ONLY covers / crosses the the one member you want to cut, and there are no dotted lines on either side. Often that will give you a cut on a piece that would otherwise vaporize.

Small pieces / connectors will almost always vaporize. Its just "acceptable wastage".

The Stinger always heats the target item as a whole, to the point of vaporization.

When you put any reticle on a piece of ship, it gives you an info panel that will tell you if that particular item is cuttable. Look at the number of blue dots, and the read the text. Oversimplification: with basic tools, only items showing one blue dot are cuttable, no matter what the material is. (Occasionally there ARE cuttable nanocarbon pieces.)

On the earlier ships, it is not NECESSARY to vaporize ANY structural member, if you take your time and plan your disassembly and cuts. Sometimes it MAY BE more ECONOMICAL to blow away structural member or two.

For instance,you may be faced with a stripped ship frame that you cannot move. You can either: Split it into a few hunks that you can move, which may involve blowing away at least a couple of structural members; or your can take the time to carve sections out of cuttable panels and otherwise remove pieces to get the weight down.
(The initial weight that you can just barely move with the Grappler, with either pull or push, is 3000 Kg.)

When you get tethers, use the hell out of them. They are very cheap, relative to the major hunks of wreck they will move. They are at least 3 times as strong as your Grapple beam.

Don't be afraid to use one tether to move a big hunk either just out of the way of other work, or to a preparatory position for a better pull angle. Then cancel that tether and use another going in another direction for the final pull to the right bin. Tethers are cheap.

show me an image of a piece of panel cut into a hexagon, with this whatever tool I keep hearing about.

It's not an issue of being economical, nobody is talking about making the best salvage, this is a discussion on the technology of the game, namely you can't actually cut anything in it.

[biomike]

Originally posted by Will:

Originally posted by dreamrider:

There WAS SplitSaw instruction in the tutorial. You just can't split every material. And some lighter items may vaporize even if it is the SplitSaw hitting them. (It is more nuanced than that, but you will learn what items to attempt to Split.) SplitSaw works best on panels, and heavier aluminum structural members - when specifically focused on them.

Some thinner structural members (cuttable, aluminum ones) will always overheat and vaporize when hit with either laser mode.

One trick is to close in with the SplitSaw until the red aiming line ONLY covers / crosses the the one member you want to cut, and there are no dotted lines on either side. Often that will give you a cut on a piece that would otherwise vaporize.

Small pieces / connectors will almost always vaporize. Its just "acceptable wastage".

The Stinger always heats the target item as a whole, to the point of vaporization.

When you put any reticle on a piece of ship, it gives you an info panel that will tell you if that particular item is cuttable. Look at the number of blue dots, and the read the text. Oversimplification: with basic tools, only items showing one blue dot are cuttable, no matter what the material is. (Occasionally there ARE cuttable nanocarbon pieces.)

On the earlier ships, it is not NECESSARY to vaporize ANY structural member, if you take your time and plan your disassembly and cuts. Sometimes it MAY BE more ECONOMICAL to blow away structural member or two.

For instance,you may be faced with a stripped ship frame that you cannot move. You can either: Split it into a few hunks that you can move, which may involve blowing away at least a couple of structural members; or your can take the time to carve sections out of cuttable panels and otherwise remove pieces to get the weight down.
(The initial weight that you can just barely move with the Grappler, with either pull or push, is 3000 Kg.)

When you get tethers, use the hell out of them. They are very cheap, relative to the major hunks of wreck they will move. They are at least 3 times as strong as your Grapple beam.

Don't be afraid to use one tether to move a big hunk either just out of the way of other work, or to a preparatory position for a better pull angle. Then cancel that tether and use another going in another direction for the final pull to the right bin. Tethers are cheap.

show me an image of a piece of panel cut into a hexagon, with this whatever tool I keep hearing about.

It's not an issue of being economical, nobody is talking about making the best salvage, this is a discussion on the technology of the game, namely you can't actually cut anything in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4y2fPI3qNc
Got the Split saw cutting things in this, it also tells you what they are used for

[SteelFire]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827638675
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827639439
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827639969
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827640129
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827640398

[dreamrider]

You asked.

Hexagon.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827646066

And please try to refrain from implying that I am lying about a game I have almost 500 hours in, when you are clearly just starting out and impatient about not having the game's set of skills yet.

PS- You owe me $500k (game money). I had to spend an extra shift carving out a panel I would have just binned with the rest of the hulk, making your hexagon, and then making it look all pretty and more or less equilateral. ;-)

[The SpearTip]

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[Notoshy]

Originally posted by Will:

Originally posted by dreamrider:

You can even cut nanocarbon, if the particular piece's cut value is low enough. "Soft" nanocarbon, I guess.

I assume, since you didn't know how to cut stuff, that you leapt in without doing the tutorial.
Go back, start a new game, and do the integrated Training. You actually get stepped through virtually everything that you can do in the game.

With the additional benefit that you don't have to expose yourself to the ridicule of strangers for not reading the instructions.

I did the tutorial and I already done the first ship. The inner structure of the ship couldn't be cut, I shoot the laser in line mode and it just makes the beams I hit disappear instead of cutting where It hit.

I think i understand your Confusion. To give us the ability to save our Ships in Progress, we got a background System. This Cleaner removes particles/objects, that are to small. Less objects, better Ship save file.
The Cleaner needs some recalibration in my opinion, but if you know that this can happen (like small beams getting vaporized) and why, you can work with it.

Stinger - Pointer-Mode. For melting Objects of different sizes.
Splitsaw - Cutter-Mode. For slicing Aluminium ...and any non-nanocarbon objects.

You should listen a bit better, when Weaver gives you a Training. He explained you, what the Cutter-Mods are for. Dont assume Stuff if you only just started the Game, as you told us.

[dreamrider]

The SplitSaw mode WILL cut nanocarbon. If the cut value of that particular piece of nanocabon is low enough. It is rare but there are nano carbon pieces that can be cut.

[Limmin]

Regarding the disintegration of the smaller, thinner beams, I find myself routinely destroying these in order to get to the high-value stuff. Such as, the radiation containment units, that surround the radiation filters. After removing the covers (processor) and filter (barge), you're left with a high value unit, worth about $400k IIRC.

You'll want to put this into the processor of course, but the rest of the empty frame should go into the furnace. So, I shoot the little aluminum beams surrounding the containment unit, destroying maybe $14k worth of stuff, in order to salvage the $400k containment unit.

Meanwhile, as you shoot those little beams, you'll be hearing the controller's bored voice saying "Valuable salvage destroyed. Don't do that." As if she's never taken Accounting 101. Just ignore her.

[Limmin]

Originally posted by dreamrider:

You asked.

Hexagon.
...

I had to spend an extra shift carving out a panel I would have just binned with the rest of the hulk, making your hexagon, and then making it look all pretty and more or less equilateral. ;-)

Ooh, that would make a nice gaming board. I hope you saved it.

[dreamrider]

I've got the picture, but this was in a live, No Revival game, so saving the game to preserve this hunk of virtual aluminum was out of the question, even if it had occurred to me.

It is easy enough for you to make one if you want.

Presuming you paid attention to How To Use a SplitSaw. ;-)


Re: Removing panels.
- Make a cut along each side. Close. Be sure to hold your Brake key while you cut, so YOU, and consequently your cut, do not drift.
That should dissolve everything that touches that edge,(except maybe the corners), but preserve 2/3 of edge aluminum on each side.
- Make a cut along the bottom the same way. (The corner blocks may now come out. They are Furnace fodder for a few bucks.) A close bottom cut will only cut between the previous vertical cuts on each side. The cut should also clean the bottom edge of the panel, AND preserve about 2/3 of the framing aluminum.
- On the top edge, make a close parallel cut as above, to clear the edge of the panel. but also make a parallel cut just inside the TOP edge of the aluminum frame. This will leave a loose strip of frame material along the top edge.
- Pull out (and bin) the loose strip of top framing.
- You now have a loose panel, with just enough clear space at the top of the frame to wiggle the panel out of the wall.
- AND you have preserved more than half of the frame material.

If you can't get close enough to the floor to make a near parallel edge cut along the bottom, rotate your character "upside down".