All O2 upgrades are useless

[loganjamesalex]

Except for the very first O2 tank upgrade all the rest are useless. Before the first upgrade you need to refill your O2 tanks three times in 15 minutes. After the first upgrade it lasts over half a shift, after the second upgrade it simply last further into the second half of the shift, and the final upgrade just makes it so you run out of oxygen with 2 minutes left in the shift.

There is a similar concept in other games (the term escapes me) where if your enemy has 100HP and you do 49 damage per strike, you still need to hit it three times until you do at least 50 damage per strike. So that 49 damage is basically the same as 34 damage against a 100HP enemy since you will need to hit it three times regardless.

[Wallourdes]

Lynx is gonna Lynx.

[Vardis]

While you are usually going to have to return for resupply once per shift, some shifts you won't because of pressurized areas. The extra upgrades make that more likely. Plus there's the canisters.

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Vardis:

While you are usually going to have to return for resupply once per shift, some shifts you won't because of pressurized areas. The extra upgrades make that more likely. Plus there's the canisters.

even with the first upgrade, a tiny bit of time in a pressurised area and a canister you can make it through a whole shift. one canister gives you like 400/500 O2 with the first upgrade

[Ezarkal]

If you're only counting on the shop, yes it's useless.
If you're counting on ship material, then they are definitively worth it. I can make whole runs without wasting time going back to the main jack with these upgrades.

The 8k credits for the oxygen means nothing of course, but that spared time allows me to salvage 100k credits worth of stuff per run :P

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Ezarkal:

If you're only counting on the shop, yes it's useless.
If you're counting on ship material, then they are definitively worth it. I can make whole runs without wasting time going back to the main jack with these upgrades.

The 8k credits for the oxygen means nothing of course, but that spared time allows me to salvage 100k credits worth of stuff per run :P

I don't understand what you are saying? You still work on Mackerel at rank 8?? If you read above on a Geko don't have to go back to the main jack with the first upgrade tank unless you are taking enough shifts to finish the entire ship that you use all the O2 tanks.

[Nero]

Originally posted by loganjamesalex:

Originally posted by Ezarkal:

If you're only counting on the shop, yes it's useless.
If you're counting on ship material, then they are definitively worth it. I can make whole runs without wasting time going back to the main jack with these upgrades.

The 8k credits for the oxygen means nothing of course, but that spared time allows me to salvage 100k credits worth of stuff per run :P

I don't understand what you are saying? You still work on Mackerel at rank 8?? If you read above on a Geko don't have to go back to the main jack with the first upgrade tank unless you are taking enough shifts to finish the entire ship that you use all the O2 tanks.

I think he means that he can slavage stuff worth 100k during the time it would take to refill O2

[Zenthar]

Originally posted by loganjamesalex:

Originally posted by Ezarkal:

If you're only counting on the shop, yes it's useless.
If you're counting on ship material, then they are definitively worth it. I can make whole runs without wasting time going back to the main jack with these upgrades.

The 8k credits for the oxygen means nothing of course, but that spared time allows me to salvage 100k credits worth of stuff per run :P

I don't understand what you are saying? You still work on Mackerel at rank 8?? If you read above on a Geko don't have to go back to the main jack with the first upgrade tank unless you are taking enough shifts to finish the entire ship that you use all the O2 tanks.

Being a higher rank doesn't mean you ONLY work on the highest grade ship available. T3 Mackerels are good for work order completions and collecting extra keys. T4-6 are good for getting raw cash quickly but are very slow for completing work orders. Plus, sometimes it's good to do single shift salvages on Mackerels rather than full 2-3 shift Geckos.

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Nero:

I think he means that he can slavage stuff worth 100k during the time it would take to refill O2

but if you have to refill O2 with 2min left in the shift or 7.5min left in the shift it takes the same amount of time?

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Zenthar:

Being a higher rank doesn't mean you ONLY work on the highest grade ship available. T3 Mackerels are good for work order completions and collecting extra keys. T4-6 are good for getting raw cash quickly but are very slow for completing work orders. Plus, sometimes it's good to do single shift salvages on Mackerels rather than full 2-3 shift Geckos.

Still I have never seen a mackerel without at least 1 O2 tank in it, again making the upgrades useless cause you can never have a tank that lasts 15min. Even if you can take apart a mackerel in 13min when you are rank 10 with the best tank, there is going to be an O2 tank right in front of you at some point that you might as well grab it for safety just in case you take a few seconds too long

[Hardrada]

scan for bottles on board of transport vessels, 50% of those are oxygen.
no need to go back tot the hab, take a bottle and tether it to the reactor or any other part you know you will work on further along your time.
That way you have it handy when needed.

[Deskath]

What ? I do only one oxygen restock per 15m now ?

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Deskath...:

What ? I do only one oxygen restock per 15m now ?

yeah with the first upgrade you only do one restock, with the second upgrade you still only do one restock, with the third upgrade you still need one restock to make it through 15m, they are all pointless

[Daz]

....or just step into the airlock and pressurise it for a mid shift boost of Oxygen. You can disassemble a vast amount of the ship and keep at least one airlock usable.

[Ruca]

I totally agree.
Despite the upgrades it seems to be less practical. After refiiling the first time the O2 allways ends up 1-2 minutes earlier than the shift finishes and most of the shifts I find myself thinking and and trying to figure out the best action for the next minute. May not look like it but it may be an hard decision at the moment because and, hillarious, I already died for taking too long to decide.
Accounting cash spent to buy O2 for the extra little time we will gain together with the time lost for the trips to refill and return can be tough and not worth it when I have to reach inner parts by going through a maze.
So lately I am mostly finishing the shift myself when I run out of O2 with less than 1:30 to end the shift, it's not that time efficient but it's not so stressfull neither but it's what I can make for now but I hope it gets better with the next upgrades.
I do like to play rushed from the timer but not over stress.

[Watching, Chang'E?]

Originally posted by Zenthar:

T4-6 are good for getting raw cash quickly but are very slow for completing work orders.

Actually, if you don't mind doing Geckos halfway, T5 transport geckos are the most smooth for farming work orders.

Coolant, fuel, ECU and power generator are all relatively easily farmed, along with nanocarbon and reactor. That's 5 work orders right there that you can do in one shift, compared to the 4 in a Mackerel.