The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles

The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles

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Demifiend Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:50am
How are the trials still not fully voice acted?
Danganronpa has been doing that since forever and Capcom be like "gotta maximize our gains!"
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Blue_Glasses Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:55am 
Ace attorney started with a pretty low budget, so they resorted to the iconic distinct bleeps

They probably still do this to not break tradition.
Efesell Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:58am 
I think by now it's probably a matter of this is what the presentation of Ace Attorney games are, and it does certainly help that it also would save on the budget.

Plus I think the voice acting is far more crucial to the presentation of Danganronpas trials than it would be to Ace Attorney.
kiteless 凧無し Jul 27, 2021 @ 11:15am 
probably because the franchise roots are based in portable hardware that didn't really have the memory for full voice acting
Skidd Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:42pm 
That would be incredibly tedious to listen to considering how long the trials are.
William Shakesman Jul 27, 2021 @ 4:00pm 
Voice acting is expensive, adds no value, and is often a waste. The only reason you would need it is if you are aiming for an anime/waifu/otaku/weeb market and the only character that inspired those sorts of feelings got whacked way early on in the franchise.
Xaneorath Jul 27, 2021 @ 4:14pm 
Besides ... having no voice acting can be somewhat of a positive point too.
You ever had that experience when reading a book (or playing text-heavy games like Phoenix Wright), when you realize how the text you read becomes voiced in your mind in a particular way for the characters? When your phantasy colors the text you read in particular voices, which might fit from your personal point of view?
You make it sound like voice acting is always better, its the correct evolution and every studio, that does not do it, just wants to cut costs. Well, the later ~may~ be the case too, but quite honestly: Silence can be a stylistic element too and I would not want to look down on a game just for deciding its the colour of sound they wish to utilize.
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Big Mac Jul 27, 2021 @ 9:01pm 
Personally, I would hate that. Imagination is a powerful tool.
Stycfy Jul 27, 2021 @ 9:17pm 
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
Voice acting is expensive, adds no value, and is often a waste.
It gives V.A.s a job.

Mute or volume control for voices exist. So, Capcom just really don't want to bother spending more
henge22 Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:13pm 
It's essentially a visual novel on a handheld system. It doesn't need voice acting.
Demifiend Jul 28, 2021 @ 12:03am 
Originally posted by henge22:
It's essentially a visual novel on a handheld system. It doesn't need voice acting.

Zero Escape games started off from handhelds and ended up being fully VA'd.

I seriously don't get this community. It feels like everyone's collectively trolling. How's an optional feature every modern VN that respects itself and that you can toggle on and off affects you?

If your visual novel gets worse with voice acting then you don't have a VA problem, you got a pacing problem and the voice acting exposed it. You got a pacing problem and your "fix" was to mash through the boring parts.
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Blue_Glasses Jul 28, 2021 @ 12:26am 
Originally posted by SparkBlast:
Originally posted by henge22:
It's essentially a visual novel on a handheld system. It doesn't need voice acting.

Zero Escape games started off from handhelds and ended up being fully VA'd.

I seriously don't get this community. It feels like everyone's collectively trolling. How's an optional feature every modern VN that respects itself and that you can toggle on and off affects you?

If your visual novel gets worse with voice acting then you don't have a VA problem, you got a pacing problem and the voice acting exposed it. You got a pacing problem and your "fix" was to mash through the boring parts.

Because:
1. Bleeps and bloops already give enough information for the player (timing of how the characters say it, gender, (rarely, their tone of the voice))
2. It what separates Ace Attorney from the rest, it gives itself its own identity
3. Sometimes, giving vouce acting could cause more contriversies than before (like "oh no, this va doesn't fit this character' "oh no, their emotions are not conveyed correctly") so they only focus on the main parts that requires voice acting.

https://youtu.be/Il2Qy9Pyi8M

I suggest you watch this video
Stycfy Jul 28, 2021 @ 1:44am 
Basically, long time fans don't want how they interpreted the voices to be ruined, which can be avoided by having a huge budget in VA if Capcom really feels like meeting the fanbase's expectations or make it optional.

Originally posted by Blue_Glasses:
2. It what separates Ace Attorney from the rest, it gives itself its own identity
Kinda strange how that got to be selling point of the series when its how well-written the series that people are talking about.
JonPringus Jul 28, 2021 @ 2:06am 
I would be interested in hearing what Shu Takumi thoughts on this.

Personally, I think full voice acting would be a detriment to the game, and I wouldn't want to give someone the choice to play it like that.

Obviously, while this might not be the case with Ace Attorney, "good writing" does not mean that it will sound good when read out loud or voiced. Listen to some audiobooks if you want proof.

Another personal taste thing: I don't like voice acting in games, but when it's there, I feel an obligation to use it, so I do, even if it ruins the game. I do like fake languages in games like with Gravity Rush.
DV2-Maggot BONKer Jul 28, 2021 @ 3:31am 
If ya kind-of want one try the Danganronpa series
Xaneorath Jul 28, 2021 @ 3:37am 
Originally posted by SparkBlast:
I seriously don't get this community. It feels like everyone's collectively trolling. How's an optional feature every modern VN that respects itself and that you can toggle on and off affects you?

Oh, now you are using some quite tactless generalization. I guess if we all are just trolling, we could stop discussing right here, since our opinions can't be honest/valid anyways?

Its the same issue like with many other games where "additional features are wanted, because they could be included" and people feel obliged to blame the companies greed or laziness for not just adding it. Like that one realtime game, which can get quite stressing, where people are asking for a pause button. Or many other examples I could think of where challenge isn't mastered or overcome but had to be dumbed down by developers, because some thought it was not solvable or didnt add anything. Just to name a few comparable cases.

I personaly am a friend of the idea of games as work of art. And with every art its a matter of artistic vision how the final piece looks like. Apparent "flaws" can be something that adds character and can itself become part of the experience as a whole. I described a bit further what I mean in my previous post.
So of course I would be reasoning against any "every game needs xyz to be good"-argument. ;) No trolling intended.

Originally posted by SparkBlast:
If your visual novel gets worse with voice acting then you don't have a VA problem, you got a pacing problem and the voice acting exposed it. You got a pacing problem and your "fix" was to mash through the boring parts.

Thats some very strong opinion of yours, which you want to be true as a general rule. Blinding you for the possibility that other people might have a different taste in this regard.
I for one can enjoy voice acted games as much as I can enjoy games without VA. But I think it would be a pity if only one kind of style survives, since it would reduce the diversity in experiences.
That being said: I think in the Ace Attorney Series the limitations of having no voice acting might have shaped the series (and its success) the way it is today. With the expressive body language of the characters being a direct result of those limitations. So it would actualy be with integrity to honour those roots by not adding VA. Its just speculation and my personal view on the series though.
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