Crusader Kings III

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Kiethoo (Banned) Apr 14, 2024 @ 8:11am
What Trait do you find the most useless or annoying?
Years later....we still have Traits that are just absolute garbage to play with....

Which do you hate and find the most useless?

Compassionate is obviously one and the top of my list.
I would very much like to play a "Kindly King with a Pure Heart."
But Compassionate is not written for in this game and it's events.
Oh this vassal murdered my son and heir then ate my wife....(he was a cannible....you pervs)
I could arrest him....oh +100 stress? oof...guess I'll just turn the other cheek.......oh he just killed me and ate my cheek....damn.

Side note.
Gluttonous bad trait...not bad to play at all. Wierdly enough theres a few traits with special gluttonous actions including some steamy seduction events.
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AC Denton Apr 14, 2024 @ 8:21am 
Hm I always hate Generous. That -10% income hurts. Even when I focus my dynasty and realm on having a strong economy, it can hurt a lot because it's a percentage thus proportional. I have killed my heirs that were Generous before just to avoid that.
halcyan2 Apr 14, 2024 @ 9:21am 
Paranoid's +100% stress gain is usually a death sentence. I think that's the worst personality trait.

Shy is really crippling too.

Gluttonous is slightly bad but not crippling. Although Gluttonous doesn't directly give you a health penalty, it contributes to getting the Obese condition which does provide a penalty. Also, Gluttonous can influence the character portrait and for those who are superficial, it's usually not for the better.

Chaste is generally bad for the fertility penalty. At least there are some benefits and it is a little more balanced than in CK2. Also, Chaste might be okay on a wife to decrease the chance of affairs, but that can still happen due to events. For Christian faiths, Chaste has the benefit of being a virtue but it's not great for non-Christian faiths unless you don't want a lot of kids (possibly due to partition inheritance concerns).

You would think that Lustful would be good for the fertility bonus (like it was in CK2). But there are a lot of subtle negatives. First of all, Adulturer and Fornicator result in a level loss of devotion if revealed as well as a permanent opinion penalty. It's worse for women (in most faiths) where it is a crime (even though it is just shunned for men). Female adulturers and fornicators are at risk of being imprisoned or their titles revoked. Last of all, AI adulturers have a high chance of dying. They tend to make lots of rivals (or get challenged to duels) and are often the target of murder plots.

The "nicer" traits like Forgiving, Honest, Trusting, Just, and especially Compassionate get stress gain from a lot of "everyday ruler activities."

Generally the best traits for AI's (especially dynasty members) are: Temperate, Calm, Patient, Gregarious

Best traits for vassals include: Content, Craven, Just, and other kind traits.

Diligent is really important for the player character because of Develop Capital.

The other factor to keep in mind is what is considered virtues/sins varies depending on Faith and can be modified by Tenets.
Bishi Apr 14, 2024 @ 9:25am 
I really hate having lustful in my dynasty. Nothing worse than seeing one of my duchies full of lover's pox and what disrupts the peace of the realm is having my nephew's secret exposed that he was sleeping with his daughter.

I actually don't mind compassionate or generous that much. I'll skip being a tyrant for a generation (and make sure my heir does not get it) and it can be a nice change of pace. Depending on your religion you can generally have a pretty stable realm with these two traits.
titanopteryx Apr 14, 2024 @ 9:53am 
I don't like the commander trait Reckless. It increases maximum roll by 6 but reduces minimum roll by 4. The average roll increases but i don't like having my minimum roll reduced like that.
halcyan2 Apr 14, 2024 @ 10:57am 
Originally posted by titanopteryx:
I don't like the commander trait Reckless. It increases maximum roll by 6 but reduces minimum roll by 4. The average roll increases but i don't like having my minimum roll reduced like that.

You're right that Reckless is not that great as a commander trait.

However the BEST part of Reckless is that it gives you access to Make Haste for +20 travel speed (it generates -10 travel safety but that's okay).

There is a travel event that has a chance of giving you the Rough Terrain Expert or the Reckless trait. It's usually worth it to eventually get both, Reckless mainly for Make Haste.
Pepeginho Apr 14, 2024 @ 11:30am 
Paranoid: amount of stress gain is insane, i once started a majesty grand tour with paranoid character, and almost died from stress during it, as it's level was keeping between 2 and 3 most of tour - almost every road event/action resulting in either ton of stress or loosing opinion with hosting vassal, making tour itself useless
Greedy: in the later stages of the game it makes keeping realm together so much harder, when you have a lot of money but can't solve problems with it. You can't gift gold, artifacts etc. to keep vassals out of dangerous factions, you can't bribe enough agents to remove unwanted inheritance/guaranteed councilor, you can't invite great knights, also there are a lot of hold court events where spending gold gives the best outcome - all of this can stress you to the limits
The Former Apr 14, 2024 @ 12:10pm 
Honestly I think they're pretty well balanced. As the last guy said, Paranoid can be a real pain to deal with, but the upside is that it makes you nearly impervious to schemes if you also play with usual due caution.
desaix Apr 14, 2024 @ 12:33pm 
Some of these traits are bad for your player character, but brilliant for an NPC. Take that compassionate example in the OP -- if you're a ruler, yeah, it really stresses you out to extract justice when required... but if your wife is compassionate, she's both far less likely to cheat on you and far more forgiving if you cheat on her.

Obviously, the worst traits are things like Cancer. I recall watching a Youtube stream of people creating CK3 characters, right after Royal Court came out, and they noted that cancer (which WILL kill you, eventually) only gives you ten extra points in character creation (the same as being a drunkard, which at least reduces stress as well), so it's not even a good source of extra points for character creation.
GarbageCollector Apr 14, 2024 @ 12:43pm 
Paranoid is an excellent trait for your personal spymaster, just not for yourself. Lustful is an excellent trait for you and maybe your spouse... basically bad for everyone else. I'd still rather have an entire court full of Lustful than Chaste characters though.

Generous hurts a lot in early stages but if your economy is already strong you have the easiest and cheapest stress reduction in the whole game available at any time by just handing your family members some money. Greedy/Ambitious is the opposite and can seriously raise the price of imperial expansion as each title given adds up.

So I really agree with this:
Originally posted by Ärlig, Paradoxriddaren:
Honestly I think they're pretty well balanced.

The only two I personally don't like to play with are Trusting and Brave because they make you die. Everything else you can kinda deal with one step at a time, but these push you toward early, unexpected deaths that feel much more random.

For non-personality traits, all the coping mechanisms that directly reduce income or health are generally not worth it, and Rakish is the worst trait in the whole entire game hands down. Both Reclusive and Irritable might as well be green in my eyes though.

I also think sinful infamy traits should carry harsher penalties. If something is known about you that can legally get you executed, it should have a disastrous opinion effect. Really makes no sense that the reputation penalty for being a confirmed cannibal is anywhere in the same plane as you being impatient while I'm not.
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titanopteryx Apr 14, 2024 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by GarbageCollector:
I also think sinful infamy traits should carry harsher penalties.
Sinful infamy traits have a harsher penalty if you're a vassal. Your liege can imprison you because of them.
GarbageCollector Apr 14, 2024 @ 1:04pm 
Originally posted by titanopteryx:
Originally posted by GarbageCollector:
I also think sinful infamy traits should carry harsher penalties.
Sinful infamy traits have a harsher penalty if you're a vassal. Your liege can imprison you because of them.

Right I understand, I'm just saying "that guy ate the bishop yesterday" should generally be much more frowned upon by my shy friends than me being an extrovert, as one example.
Hammer Bear Apr 14, 2024 @ 1:06pm 
paranoid and shy
AdmiralPiett Apr 14, 2024 @ 1:14pm 
Generous

It's ridiculous how the trait is color-coded as POSITIVE in game lol
Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:
Generous

It's ridiculous how the trait is color-coded as POSITIVE in game lol
No. That's the Diplomacy color-coding.
brownacs Apr 14, 2024 @ 2:00pm 
Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:
Generous

It's ridiculous how the trait is color-coded as POSITIVE in game lol

I like it in the mid to late game. Like GarbageCollector said, great for effortlessly burning stress once you're pretty rich.
Last edited by brownacs; Apr 14, 2024 @ 2:11pm
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