Noob Question - Are personality traits of AI Guardians completely random?

[Havan_IronOak]

Whilst I'd like to educate my next player heir myself my stress level is probably gonna make that impossible. If I make him the ward of someone else in my court are his personality traits completely random or do they tend to be similar to his guardians? I know that in CK2 that the Education trait was formed by the guardian .

[PostalGibbon]

One trait that i have seen pass really well from guardian to ward is lustful (lustful and chaste is two trait selection all other seems to be three trait selection and AI loves lustful because humping everything that moves with two legs is win in AI book of rules).

Other traits seems more random but be prepared to have heir that is "blessed" with three awful traits if you do not do mentoring yourself.

[Havan_IronOak]

Originally posted by PostalGibbon:

...Other traits seems more random but be prepared to have heir that is "blessed" with three awful traits if you do not do mentoring yourself.

Well... I decided to do it myself but the stress of raising the kid will probably kill me.

[jerrypocalypse]

They have an increased chance to get traits based on their guardian, but it's not guaranteed. It's similar to the trait choices you get when raising a kid, you just don't get to pick from the options. So you run the risk of the kid getting traits opposite to the guardian. But if you can't raise the kid, and you want them to be brave, let's say, you're more likely to get a brave trait on them by giving them a brave guardian than by assigning them one without the trait.

If there are certain traits you always want, like temperate, for example, look through the cultural traditions. Some increase the chance of children getting certain traits. So if you get one of them that increases temperate chances, and give the child a temperate guardian, they're very likely to get that trait.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Havan_IronOak:

Whilst I'd like to educate my next player heir myself my stress level is probably gonna make that impossible. If I make him the ward of someone else in my court are his personality traits completely random or do they tend to be similar to his guardians? I know that in CK2 that the Education trait was formed by the guardian .

The AI currently can not educate any childs, they always use the default option, even the child has picked a trait, who is completly against the guardian's personality traits.

Even in CK2, the AI has changed their Ward's Personality traits to their own traits or a better trait.

[ShepherdOfCats]

I hate it when you get presented with two options and you avoid the bad one, and in the next roll your kid ends up getting the one you tried to avoid in the first place.

Something like a choice between sadistic, paranoid, and some other not-great option. I go with sadistic. Two years later my ward gets paranoid because the other options were awful. Wish they didn't come in 'sets' of options and there was a little more variety to these events.

[Mo0on]

I believe its partially culture, partially genetics, and partially the educators personality traits that play a role in which personality options you have access too. But then it gives a roll for 3 bad options and they're generally all the same.

Originally posted by ShepherdOfCats:

Wish they didn't come in 'sets' of options and there was a little more variety to these events.

I really wish this was the case.

The amount of times the only options are Paranoid, Shy, and Gluttonous literally pisses me off.

[ShepherdOfCats]

Originally posted by Mo0on:

I really wish this was the case.

The amount of times the only options are Paranoid, Shy, and Gluttonous literally pisses me off.

YES!!! By god that's the one! If I had a dime for every ruler I have that gets shy and paranoid I could buy a gift copy of the next DLC for every CK3 owner on steam.

And shy and paranoid together = stress death at age 20.

[dwarfpcfan]

personally what REALLY pisses me off is when I'm personally educating a heir and there is STILL no way to avoid a heir getting a terrible personality trait and you're stuck picking the less terrible of the three (which is almost always arbitrary)

My multi-emperor title ruler has 30+ learning, 30+ diplomacy, the pedagogy trait and sent the kid to university He's been educating the kid since day 1 and you're telling me I can't avoid my heir getting either abitrary, paranoid or craven?!

get the hell out of here.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

personally what REALLY pisses me off is when I'm personally educating a heir and there is STILL no way to avoid a heir getting a terrible personality trait and you're stuck picking the less terrible of the three (which is almost always arbitrary)

My multi-emperor title ruler has 30+ learning, 30+ diplomacy, the pedagogy trait and sent the kid to university He's been educating the kid since day 1 and you're telling me I can't avoid my heir getting either abitrary, paranoid or craven?!

get the hell out of here.

Welcome to Paradox, who you have to pay for everything.

Because i am sure, they will fix this with the Wards & Wardens Event Pack.


But if you play in debug mode, you can add the traits you want for your childs via Console Commands.
(Never play a Paradox Game without Debug Mode, unless it is Victoria 3).

[stun]

what happens if you play vic3 in debug mode, do all the bugs get afraid and run away and there stops being a game?

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by stun:

what happens if you play vic3 in debug mode, do all the bugs get afraid and run away and there stops being a game?

No, Victoria 3 is the only Game, who can be played without Debug Mode, because it has nearly 0 Bugs.

CK3 on the other side, is not playable without Debug Mode, because the most Events are not working right.
(Like a Character, kills their own child, because of a House Feud against the own House and without Sadistic Trait).

[Havan_IronOak]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

what REALLY pisses me off is when I'm personally educating a heir and there is STILL no way to avoid a heir getting a terrible personality trait and you're stuck picking the less terrible of the three (which is almost always arbitrary)

My multi-emperor title ruler has 30+ learning, 30+ diplomacy, the pedagogy trait and sent the kid to university He's been educating the kid since day 1 and you're telling me I can't avoid my heir getting either abitrary, paranoid or craven?!

I thought you were just being a bit negative and yet when I next had to make an heir related decision, the event offered to replace the kid's SHY trait with either PARANOID or CRAVEN. I did choose Craven as it wasn't entirely debilitating, but if I'm also gonna be penalized with stress for playing a hand in raising the kid there OUGHT to be some positive choices as well.

[titanopteryx]

Well shy and craven are terrible if you're educating your own heir. Shy's great of you're educating your next antiquarian. Craven's great if you're educating your vassal's heir. A craven vassal is an intimidated vassal, and shy gives bonus proficiency to an antiquarian. Paranoid might be good if you're educating your spymaster since it does give 3 intrigue. Craven works too since it also gives intrigue and you probably do want your spymaster to be intimidated. In fact in my opinion craven is very strong on any character that isn't yours.

So trait selections are either good or bad depending on who you're educating.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Well shy and craven are terrible if you're educating your own heir. Shy's great of you're educating your next antiquarian. Craven's great if you're educating your vassal's heir. A craven vassal is an intimidated vassal, and shy gives bonus proficiency to an antiquarian. Paranoid might be good if you're educating your spymaster since it does give 3 intrigue. Craven works too since it also gives intrigue and you probably do want your spymaster to be intimidated. In fact in my opinion craven is very strong on any character that isn't yours.

So trait selections are either good or bad depending on who you're educating.

Craven, Shy and Paranoid are always bad traits.

Why did you want to sabotage a little Child, who has probably, never tried to kill you.

Bad things only for bad people, but not against little Childs.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Emperor2000:

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Well shy and craven are terrible if you're educating your own heir. Shy's great of you're educating your next antiquarian. Craven's great if you're educating your vassal's heir. A craven vassal is an intimidated vassal, and shy gives bonus proficiency to an antiquarian. Paranoid might be good if you're educating your spymaster since it does give 3 intrigue. Craven works too since it also gives intrigue and you probably do want your spymaster to be intimidated. In fact in my opinion craven is very strong on any character that isn't yours.

So trait selections are either good or bad depending on who you're educating.

Craven, Shy and Paranoid are always bad traits.

Why did you want to sabotage a little Child, who has probably, never tried to kill you.

Bad things only for bad people, but not against little Childs.

There's exactly 1 situation where shy is really good, and it's when your antiquarian has it. And I want my vassal's child to be craven so he continues to not try to kill me.