Losing duels with high prowess vs low prowess

[identity]

Is there anything more ridiculous in this game? My king can't win a fight with 30 prowess vs some old man with 3?

This happened twice in a row, same guy, within a month. wtf

[PTSD]

You have no honeur sir , fight who is match prowess with you

[identity]

Originally posted by afkbrainstayinbullshitmemeshit:

You have no honeur sir , fight who is match prowess with you:crusader_helmet:

The douche stole my goblet. The only choice was a duel, and then he won... and then I dueled him again because wtf, and then he won again. My Herculean King lost to a feeble old man. Mind boggling. He should have split him in two in one stroke.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by id:

Is there anything more ridiculous in this game? My king can't win a fight with 30 prowess vs some old man with 3?

This happened twice in a row, same guy, within a month. wtf

I don't know if this is visible without debug mode on but moves in duels have 2 values. One affects your chance to win and one affects your risk of injury. If your risk on injury gets too high you instantly lose, and a lot of the powerful duel moves increase it a lot. Like the one that becomes available with the berzerker trait. It increases your chance to win a lot but it increases your injury risk a lot. With 30 prowess you probably have access to some powerful duel moves and you're maxing your injury risk and instantly losing. That's my guess.

[Dizzy Ioeuy]

So he's basically a master spazzing out and killing himself in front of the old man, izzat right?

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Dizzy Ioeuy:

So he's basically a master spazzing out and killing himself in front of the old man, izzat right?

I know that sounds strange but I've lost that way multiple times. By my injury risk getting too high and me instantly losing.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Originally posted by Dizzy Ioeuy:

So he's basically a master spazzing out and killing himself in front of the old man, izzat right?

I know that sounds strange but I've lost that way multiple times. By my injury risk getting too high and me instantly losing.

I don't think this is right, because it happens to me too and I read the Text, so I know, the Risk and Success Chance, I am going to think the AI has an magical "I win Button".

[stun]

Literally the opposite of what happens
The AI beats you because it hits the instant win threshold from picking the 'high risk' moves. They are the ONLY thing that matters in duels, it only goes to prowess if neither of you pick them for like 4 turns in a row. Your access to these moves is mostly gated by traits, not prowess. If it does go to prowess, picking these moves gives you like +12 effective prowess each so it's unlikely that mr. 30+4+4+4+4 will beat madam 9+12+8+12+8
The berserk move, the shieldmaiden move, the blademaster 3 move, the intrigue/learning moves, anything which has a 'high' increase to your chance of success you need to pick. The only way to lose to self injury requires you to pick things with a HIGHER chance of injury than the chance of success, which you're basically unable to if your prowess is >8. Sometimes the AI will nab itself like this, that's about it.

Edit:
I'd like to note that I was consistently losing duels even with cheated prowess before I understood this because I was picking safe options expecting the duels to go to the end and then win on prowess difference. Maybe 1 in 10 duels that you the player don't trigger an instant-win/lose (chance of success/injury risk) threshold the AI won't either, whereas if you always pick at least 'high' increase to chance of success you'll pretty much beat anyone. This is also relative, if you have a high 'chance of success' and they do too there will be more rounds, as opposed to you just losing if you hadn't picked those options.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Originally posted by id:

Is there anything more ridiculous in this game? My king can't win a fight with 30 prowess vs some old man with 3?

This happened twice in a row, same guy, within a month. wtf

I don't know if this is visible without debug mode on but moves in duels have 2 values. One affects your chance to win and one affects your risk of injury. If your risk on injury gets too high you instantly lose, and a lot of the powerful duel moves increase it a lot. Like the one that becomes available with the berzerker trait. It increases your chance to win a lot but it increases your injury risk a lot. With 30 prowess you probably have access to some powerful duel moves and you're maxing your injury risk and instantly losing. That's my guess.

This. It's a skill issue.

[identity]

Originally posted by Crowkeeper:

This. It's a skill issue.

Not understanding how this convoluted system works is not a "skill issue". There is no skill involved here. The system is poorly explained and doesn't make any sense. It's "gamey" and, apparently, tweaked to give both combatants a chance even though, in reality, someone with hardly any skill at all would instantly lose this kind of fight.

[stun]

Originally posted by id:

Not understanding how this convoluted system works is not a "skill issue". There is no skill involved here.

That is literally a skill issue, it's just a really dumb and pointless skill (a knowledge check).

[identity]

Originally posted by stun:

That is literally a skill issue, it's just a really dumb and pointless skill (a knowledge check).

Dissecting a multiple choice quiz is not a "skill check", it's a knowledge check, like you said. All that's required is that you're supposed to know "risk of injury going too high results in a loss", and logically, that makes no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense.
https://youtu.be/jR54A_PSPbM
Sorry, Bronn, you lose because you actually used your brain. Tiring out your opponent is obviously not a valid strategy in combat.
https://youtu.be/M22nWSzyccE
Sorry, Ali, this wouldn't work, quit being a loser.

[stun]

Passing a certain knowledge check is literally a skill
It just has a narrow scope

There's no such thing as a "skill check". Do you mean a "consistency check"?

[identity]

Originally posted by stun:

Passing a certain knowledge check is literally a skill
It just has a narrow scope

There's no such thing as a "skill check". Do you mean a "consistency check"?

https://www.talentlms.com/blog/knowledge-vs-skill-main-differences/#:~:text=Knowledge%20is%20theoretical.,put%20their%20knowledge%20into%20practice.

"Knowledge is theoretical. It’s an intellectual understanding of information, knowing the right answers.

Skills are practical. They are the actions people take to put their knowledge into practice."

I'm done arguing about this.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by id:

Originally posted by stun:

Passing a certain knowledge check is literally a skill
It just has a narrow scope

There's no such thing as a "skill check". Do you mean a "consistency check"?

https://www.talentlms.com/blog/knowledge-vs-skill-main-differences/#:~:text=Knowledge%20is%20theoretical.,put%20their%20knowledge%20into%20practice.

"Knowledge is theoretical. It’s an intellectual understanding of information, knowing the right answers.

Skills are practical. They are the actions people take to put their knowledge into practice."

I'm done arguing about this.

I have never lost a duel, ever, and I did not know about these "hidden" mechanics.

Skill issue.

[stun]

That's out of context (also a bad article lol you want negative examples when changing policy not positive examples, practice during training is for identifying failure to incorporate knowledge not to try to instill it, etc.), but it also says you're wrong lmao
Consistently selecting the options that make you not die is the skill. Knowing what makes an option an option that makes you not die and knowing how you can increase your chance of getting those options is knowledge.
Now you can
>4. Spend time on application
and then
>6. Follow up back at work
once you've played CK3 and stopped losing duels by applying your knowledge.