hypothetical hegemonies

[fishmaster]

what formables do you feel should be hegemonies?
I feel like Slavia, a restored Charlemange empire and united Africa should be hegemonies.

[Devil_JCS]

Yeah, I think most are in agreement that Slavia and United Africa should be hegemonies. Both are way too large to just be empires, both take quite some time to form and both have specific requirements to even have the option to form them in the first place.

Another one that I think would be good would be a Baltic Sea hegemony. You'd have to have every county on the Baltic to form it, so it would be pretty difficult to form it. It'd be cool to have local hegemony for Norse, Finnish and Sami rulers while also having another Slavic option besides Slavia (assuming they actually made Slavia a Hegemony first of course).

I was considering one for the Mediterranean, but the Roman Empire pretty much covers that already. Probably way too much overlap there.

[Inflammatus]

I think they should allow us to create custom hegemonies, with requierments like 3 empire titles

[fishmaster]

Originally posted by Inflammatus:

I think they should allow us to create custom hegemonies, with requierments like 3 empire titles

definetly custom hegemonies, another one could be a reformed persian empire, could require you to have the territories of the achemenid empire

[brownacs]

Originally posted by smtree01:

definetly custom hegemonies, another one could be a reformed persian empire, could require you to have the territories of the achemenid empire

Not sure about the Achaemenid Empire. It'd kinda be a smaller Dar al-Islam, especially given that the Dar al-Islam typically ends up requiring a significant chunk of Africa if you don't really rush it.

[dwarfpcfan]

When I think of what should be a Hegemony level title, I think about the scope of what it puts together under a dejure realm not just size.

And since some regions just have more counties in the game despite of comparable size to others with a lot fewer counties the actual number of counties in game really shouldn't be the deciding factor.

When I think Hegemony I think of a realm that actively controls and rules over a huge landmass of very different peoples/cultures and basically dictates the pace of everything else that borders the region it dominates.

Tang China at it's peak basically directly or indirectly controlled all of East Asia through the immense size of it's realm and the tributaries it controlled.

The Roman Empire at it's peak dominated from Persia To Scotland, all of continental Western Europe and North Africa. It had trade contacts all the way to India and China. This is a huge mass of very different peoples that all were under either direct domination or influenced by them.

So it needs to be something of this scope. Uniting Africa definitely qualifies given what's included in the decision and it's really baffling that Paradox still hasn't corrected this oversight and updated the decision to create a Hegemony.

Unite the Indian subcontinent also qualifies once you understand just how much historically exists within that sphere,

Uniting the Slavs means forging a realm that controls everything from East Germany to deep into the Russian steppes to the Balkans and into the former Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire. That would be an absolutely insane realm if it had happened historically. So yes it should be a Hegemony.

And if the Mongol Empire hadn't fractured into the various Hordes and Khanates and somehow held together. That also would qualify for a Hegemony for obvious reasons.

What I mean is any realm that would qualify as a Hegemony needs to really be something more then just a large empire. It needs to be the focal point and dominant force of an entire region.

If we're talking Scandinavia it would have to basically be at the very least something like if the North Sea Empire had survived and then went on to completely dominate directly the British Isles and the BaltoScandia region completely

This would mean effective hegemonic control of basically all of the north Atlantic and entire baltic region. Which given this would mean directly ruling over everything from Russia to Ireland would be completely insane historically. A realm like this would basically be the focal point of all of Western and Northern Europe basically acting in a similar fashion to the Roman Empire but with a different axis because any European realm not inside it would have it's axis turned towards it.