Gay Marriage in CK3

[Athmet]

Hello everyone,

As there is a lot of discussion around this, I wanted to try to give a quick summary around that feature coming with the Royal Court:

> Does PDX believe gay marriage to be historically accurate ?
- No they do not, that is the reason why this feature is turned off by default and can be turned on as an option if you want it

> Why implementing it in the first place then ?
- Some players (apologies, cannot quantify them) requested that feature

> What if I believe it took a lot of resource to implement it in detriment of other features that would be better (imo) for the game ?
- PDX dev responded on this by stating it was rather easy to implement (quote[forum.paradoxplaza.com])

> What if I do not like that feature and do not want it in my game ?
- Since it is turned off by default, you will never have it in your game if you do not turn it on
- Additionally, PDX made sure that if anyone else turn it on in their own game, it will not impact your game and it will still be off for your game

> What if I do not like thinking other people can turn it on in their own game ?
- That will be an issue that you alone can deal with in any way you want

> What if that goes against my X belief ?
- Not sure what to say, do not buy it then ?

> What is this "AgeNdA" I am hearing of ?
- So far, no one has clearly explained what this agenda was about
- However it is clear this agenda is living rent free in the head of a lot of people online

Hopefully, this will help anyone with question around that optional feature.

[Fellington]

as long as its not forced down my throat. im fine with it.

[Athmet]

Originally posted by Fellington:

as long as its not forced down my throat. im fine with it.

Total agreement ! It is totally optional.

[justin579]

It is a feature? I thought i read somewhere they would only just disable the hardcode so then modders can add it. not actually put an option in

[Athmet]

Originally posted by justin579:

It is a feature? I thought i read somewhere they would only just disable the hardcode so then modders can add it. not actually put an option in

Taken from the latest Dev Diaries

Same-Sex Marriage​
Coming with 1.5 is support for same-sex marriage, not only just in mods either but as a new game rule alongside the Same-Sex relations game rule so you can use it in un-modded games too. We've updated a variety of AI logic and interactions and content to take that into account when playing.
Same-sex marriage between the Duke of Brittany and his husband
Mods are of course able to implement this into their different worlds without it having to be a game rule, it can be based on different cultures or anything in the game world at all.

This is something that we’re very happy to be able to put into the game and have support in the game rules for unmodded games too, it is something that a lot of the team and community wanted and we are glad it is finally going to be shipped in 1.5.

[Zoopy]

Originally posted by Fellington:

as long as its not forced down my throat. im fine with it.

You guys and your obsession with things being forced down your throats.

[justin579]

Originally posted by Athmet:

Originally posted by justin579:

It is a feature? I thought i read somewhere they would only just disable the hardcode so then modders can add it. not actually put an option in

Taken from the latest Dev Diaries

Same-Sex Marriage​
Coming with 1.5 is support for same-sex marriage, not only just in mods either but as a new game rule alongside the Same-Sex relations game rule so you can use it in un-modded games too. We've updated a variety of AI logic and interactions and content to take that into account when playing.
Same-sex marriage between the Duke of Brittany and his husband
Mods are of course able to implement this into their different worlds without it having to be a game rule, it can be based on different cultures or anything in the game world at all.

This is something that we’re very happy to be able to put into the game and have support in the game rules for unmodded games too, it is something that a lot of the team and community wanted and we are glad it is finally going to be shipped in 1.5.

Wow. didn't think they would go that far with it. good for them.

[Aldodrem]

Originally posted by Zoopy:

Originally posted by Fellington:

as long as its not forced down my throat. im fine with it.

You guys and your obsession with things being forced down your throats. :summer2019cockatiel:

You made me spit my tea out all over the place

[Chozer]

Originally posted by Athmet:

Hello everyone,

As there is a lot of discussion around this, I wanted to try to give a quick summary around that feature coming with the Royal Court:

> Does PDX believe gay marriage to be historically accurate ?
- No they do not, that is the reason why this feature is turned off by default and can be turned on as an option if you want it

> Why implementing it in the first place then ?
- Some players (apologies, cannot quantify them) requested that feature

> What if I believe it took a lot of resource to implement it in detriment of other features that would be better (imo) for the game ?
- PDX dev responded on this by stating it was rather easy to implement (quote[forum.paradoxplaza.com])

> What if I do not like that feature and do not want it in my game ?
- Since it is turned off by default, you will never have it in your game if you do not turn it on
- Additionally, PDX made sure that if anyone else turn it on in their own game, it will not impact your game and it will still be off for your game

> What if I do not like thinking other people can turn it on in their own game ?
- That will be an issue that you alone can deal with in any way you want

> What if that goes against my X belief ?
- Not sure what to say, do not buy it then ?

> What is this "AgeNdA" I am hearing of ?
- So far, no one has clearly explained what this agenda was about
- However it is clear this agenda is living rent free in the head of a lot of people online

Hopefully, this will help anyone with question around that optional feature.

well, it does strenghen our demorcratic values so i am not opposed

[NoPJag]

I don't see any reason to complain whatsoever if it is an option. It pleases people that want it, it doesn't bother those who don't. Everybody wins.

[AnotherGuy]

The more sandbox options the better I say, I cannot see how it could possibly be a negative.

Really though, I can't understand why people care at all what other people do in terms of marriage, make it a possibility through culture advancement or religion, or make it solely an option at start-up. either way, more options is usually better.

The game should be as historically accurate as possible at the start, but after those first few years, anything goes. I mean if I can make a worldwide death cult as a religion, why can't I have a divine gay marriage with human sacrifice or something religion? was it likely to happen in real life? no obviously, was it possible, sure, why not?

[VoiD]

If you can't understand it you haven't been paying attention, at all, to the past decade.

[Sputnik]

Well Dame Edna disapproved of lesbianism, saying the whole thing just left a bad taste in her mouth.

But more to the point: How does your dynasty continues after the inclusion of gay mechanic? Is it just for outside the line of succession? Or does it involve an adoptive-heir tradition similar to that acceptable in ancient Rome?

[Seijana]

I hope that even when enabled it conforms to local religious law. If your religion views same sex relationships as shunned or criminal I feel like you shouldn't be able to arrange a same sex marriage. If they're accepted in your religion then it makes perfect sense.

[Ashy]

Originally posted by Sputnik:

Is it just for outside the line of succession? Or does it involve an adoptive-heir tradition similar to that acceptable in ancient Rome?

Adoption would be a neat mechanic in CK, but I'd fear it'd make the game too easy. Personally, I'd rather them decentralize the hereditary thing to begin with and just allow you to play as the next heir (unless it's an elective monarchy or something special happened like that) because it never really added that much (unless you think a game over screen is an addition) and prevented you from playing potentially interesting nations like the Papal states/theocracies, or added depth for tribal governments.

Maybe to continue continuity the next heir would have events and some kind of "mentorship" with the current ruler to act as a makeshift child-education thing (but still make raising children better or something)

But, no, yeah, adoption would be much easier than whatever mess I've suggested. If they do add adoption into the game though then I'd want to see a return of dynasty-wiping viruses. Man, dying sure was fun (not sarcasm).

As for gay marriage, I'd assume it'd just pass on to a relative.

Originally posted by Seijana:

I hope that even when enabled it conforms to local religious law. If your religion views same sex relationships as shunned or criminal I feel like you shouldn't be able to arrange a same sex marriage. If they're accepted in your religion then it makes perfect sense.

I think the devs said it would, but since you can change all religions to accept homosexuality right now. it's not that big of a barrier of entry (if you want gay marriages to be a common-ish thing that is).

[pauloandrade224]

i like it it won't affect me at all anyways