Please fix Adventurer Marriages

[lotherius]

So apparently getting married as an adventurer is pretty much impossible unless you form your own religion and allow wincest.

-50 automatically for being an adventurer is such a huge nerf, and it's not offset at all by them being a patron.

But let's argue, let's say, that even though you're from a noble house, they just REFUSE to marry their noble daughters to a landless adventurer (except that they do it all the time normally).

You can't marry lowborn either without going through this same system. WHY? Literally have a dude with an army 10,000 strong, tons of followers. And he can't find one lonely lowborn in a village willing to take up the adventurer life?

The result is pretty much the only way family members get wed is to each other. Was this the intent?

[ShepherdOfCats]

Another issue is that you can't actually see who your patrons would be willing to marry off without using your hook and then come to find out they don't have anyone worth marrying. So they're upset with you, and you've lost your hook, and you still have no marriage.

[Bishi]

Marry a courtier that you pick up from a event or town visit. As unlanded and admin vassal, you don't get penalized for marrying lowborns via legitimacy. Also you can designate any of your courtiers as your heir if you are unlanded.

You can also elope with noble ladies if you want to roll the dice. I've stolen William the Conquerer's wife as Hereweard a couple of times now, just as a form of my own revenge conquest.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by lotherius:

So apparently getting married as an adventurer is pretty much impossible unless you form your own religion and allow wincest.

-50 automatically for being an adventurer is such a huge nerf, and it's not offset at all by them being a patron.

But let's argue, let's say, that even though you're from a noble house, they just REFUSE to marry their noble daughters to a landless adventurer (except that they do it all the time normally).

You can't marry lowborn either without going through this same system. WHY? Literally have a dude with an army 10,000 strong, tons of followers. And he can't find one lonely lowborn in a village willing to take up the adventurer life?

The result is pretty much the only way family members get wed is to each other. Was this the intent?

Another Issue is, that the AI is more than happy to marry their Childs to some random Noble Character of Evil Faith, but refuse to marry their Childs to an Adventurer of the same Faith.

This is of course not right, the AI should not arrange Marriages with an Evil Faith, unless of course a Strong Hook is involved.

[lotherius]

So my solution now has been to raid for marriages. Basically fight wars for people, imprison captives, and recruit all the children/young adults. Break betrothals and set them up with members of the camp. I guess this is what they intended?

[Multox]

It seems like the world starts off in a state with far fewer female than male characters. Until they start having babies it's entirely lopsided.

[lotherius]

Originally posted by Multox:

It seems like the world starts off in a state with far fewer female than male characters. Until they start having babies it's entirely lopsided.

I'm 200 years in

[titanopteryx]

In the martial chivalry tree there's perks to increase marriage acceptance you might consider going for.

[Double Event]

Originally posted by ShepherdOfCats:

Another issue is that you can't actually see who your patrons would be willing to marry off without using your hook and then come to find out they don't have anyone worth marrying. So they're upset with you, and you've lost your hook, and you still have no marriage.

Losing that hook is infuriating. How did they miss that???

[lotherius]

Originally posted by Double Event:

Originally posted by ShepherdOfCats:

Another issue is that you can't actually see who your patrons would be willing to marry off without using your hook and then come to find out they don't have anyone worth marrying. So they're upset with you, and you've lost your hook, and you still have no marriage.

Losing that hook is infuriating. How did they miss that???

It also costs you prestige just to look, and you don't get that back either. It would be fine if there was some way to tell ahead of time who they'd be willing to give up, but you can't really. And they don't typically have courtiers just laying around. Everyone's their special little princess that is "dear to them" so more debuffs on your chances.

[foxpyt]

same here

[lotherius]

After playing a bit more..... this is way broken.

I had a brother who was my BEST FRIEND. Same culture, same religion. How much closer can you be? Brother was a ruler and I'm adventurer.

Soooo... it says he has both important and unimportant characters available for marriage.

I tried them all. He REFUSED on every single one. Hooks didn't help.

Has ANYONE ever gotten a marriage through this feature? What does it take?

What really makes this worse, is the majority of the random recruitment popups give you male characters it seems. So you end up with a bunch of sons who can't get married.

[Kushcracker]

Save a fair maiden > recruit to camp > free marriage

You can also marry any female followers.

It is quite easy.

[SonicTheWarthog]

I haven't bothered with marrying anyone noble. I either marry the fair subjects I rescue or if playing a male character (which is pretty much always), if I find a hetero/bi female knight pretending to be a man at a tournament, I usually recruit them, seduce them, and then marry them. (in that order)

[Harris]

I thought one of the perks of being an adventurer would be marrying for traits as you don't have to take a legitimacy hit for marrying that hot lowborn. Missed opportunity there PDX.

[StepBattleBrother]

Originally posted by lotherius:

Has ANYONE ever gotten a marriage through this feature? What does it take?

I married a duke's daughter and heir in my first adventurer game. Maybe I got lucky? But I just did a few contracts for him, maxed relations to +100, then used my hook and I was able to get a patrilineal marriage. Didn't have to get the martial perk or anything like that.

Of course, then he plonked out a son at like age 67, just two years before he died.