Does anyone actually like the new intrigue system?

[Hebrux]

It seems they just made it more difficult. I was fine with the way it was

edit:
After playing the new intrigue system for awhile, I now enjoy it more than the old system.
Not much has changed, if you focus on an intrigue character, you can still control the world from the shadows which is how I love to play

I enjoy the new feature now =)
Just had to spend some time learning how to use it and the game became fun again

Here is a tutorial I used to learn the new feature:
The video tutorial I saw was more of an overview of the new features and not focused solely on intrigue but it was helpful. I've copied the link at the exact time where they talk about the new intrigue system to save you time =)
https://youtu.be/DiiNHukB0jY?t=822

[Max Wax]

what has changed (new player here)? I noticed you can't kidnap someone when starting a war (drastic change to the scheme's success chance after starting a war).

[Seggellion]

I see it as more unnecessary micromanagement. If they are going to add micromanagement, then I would prefer to see it in battles. Boring army stacks moving from place to place gets old quick.

[Razorblade]

I don't hate it. It makes way more sense than having all of a character's courtiers join a single scheme, as happened with the original system.

The old system also wouldn't have worked at all with adventurer Contracts, and Adventurers > scheming, imo.

[Skorpius]

It setup to force you to buy their DLC'. Sure it works without it but heavily punished for not having the DLC's. Just another mark in Paradox record, They are hated in the online community for the most part. Mainly for their predatory DLC spamming (Greed), People are starting to notice and have become less friendly to Paradox. The hate toward them is spreading fast as it should.

[Abacus]

yes, and it adds more dynamics for other ideas.

It's a good sign they are expanding on standard OG mechanics and trying to make them more dynamics.

The standard stuff isn't going to benefit as much like the OG schemes, it's more for what they add to it.

[fakemon64]

It needed to be more difficult or at least a bit more complex

Before it was way too easy to go on killing sprees. There were also just too few drawbacks to scheming.

I think the changes let intrigue continue to be strong while adding more nuance to how you carry out your schemes. At the same time I think it does a good job of keeping the system balanced.

[Hebrux]

Originally posted by Skorpius:

It setup to force you to buy their DLC'. Sure it works without it but heavily punished for not having the DLC's. Just another mark in Paradox record, They are hated in the online community for the most part. Mainly for their predatory DLC spamming (Greed), People are starting to notice and have become less friendly to Paradox. The hate toward them is spreading fast as it should.

What DLC are you talking about? And what penalty?

[Khorne Flakes]

I definitely preferred it before, now it's just more micro. The only thing I like about the new system are all the ways to further protect yourself from certain schemes.

[titanopteryx]

The new intrigue system... is... intriguing.

[Black_Rat]

its funny how people complain that there isnt enough to do in the game, and then they complain again when they add more.

[lost]

i dont mind it at all. murdering people was far too easy and the easiest way to destabilize a realm thats giving you trouble. clicking one button and have a 95% chance to kill in 11 months was just dumb. i do think it needs more work though, but its a good step in the right direction.

[kalanyr]

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

its funny how people complain that there isnt enough to do in the game, and then they complain again when they add more.

People generally want more interesting things, not the existing gameplay made worse. Like no one has ever asked Paradox to arbitrarily increase Gold prices for no reason, but they keep doing it because players complain about having too much gold and it's easier to do the worst cost scaling in existence ( nonsensical static costs + costs that scale off your income making increasing your income pointless until you hit the caps ) than to add new and interesting gold sinks or even to come up with ways to sensibly scale things based off gold invested so that it makes sense to pour more gold into something for better rewards as the game goes on instead of the costs increasing because you have more territory or a better title or a later era.

[sammwich]

I own all DLC and have not had a single target that had a greater than Poor chance of success, but I have not bred a 30+ intrigue character so far.

[Mansen]

Originally posted by sammwich:

I own all DLC and have not had a single target that had a greater than Poor chance of success, but I have not bred a 30+ intrigue character so far.

That is the base chance - And is significantly adjusted by the agents you bring in.

[PostalGibbon]

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

its funny how people complain that there isnt enough to do in the game, and then they complain again when they add more.

Hence we come to conclusion that people just like to complain about everything.