BARONS SHOULD HAVE SOME COURT POSITIONS, AT LEAST.

[dannyvader007]

I believe barons should be able to poses at least some court positions, such as seneschal, high almoner, antiquarian and a court jester. I also believe that they should be able to have 5 or 10 knights because they have an army. I also think that they should hold a max of 3 men-at-arms.

I know barons are not the main characters or powerful vassals, but I still think that they should have some stuff so that they can hold their kids in their small court. After all, barons can go to war and make some alliances. So why not give them some stuff to make them interesting?

Tell me what you think.

[titanopteryx]

Barons have a different form of government than us. We got feudal, they got republican. I don't think mayors even have courts.

[dannyvader007]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Barons have a different form of government than us. We got feudal, they got republican. I don't think mayors even have courts.

Barons are not mayors.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by dannyvader007:

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Barons have a different form of government than us. We got feudal, they got republican. I don't think mayors even have courts.

Barons are not mayors.

When I look at a title of a mayor it says barony tier realm. I assumed that means they're barons.

[dannyvader007]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Originally posted by dannyvader007:

Barons are not mayors.

When I look at a title of a mayor it says barony tier realm. I assumed that means they're barons.

City baronies. A mayors kids cannot inherit the city barony. Mayors are just randomly elected.

Barons can have kids and only one child gets to inherit that barony. Castle baronies are inheritable.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by dannyvader007:

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

When I look at a title of a mayor it says barony tier realm. I assumed that means they're barons.

City baronies. A mayors kids cannot inherit the city barony. Mayors are just randomly elected.

Barons can have kids and only one child gets to inherit that barony. Castle baronies are inheritable.

Ok, so your talking about the ones in castles. Well I find barons and mayors both to be annoying because once when I was a vassal of the HRE a baron murdered the Emperor at a feast I was having. So I'm against them having more power.

[Seek and Find]

Baronies are Feudal titles, not Republics. You can't negotiate contracts with them though and they pay the default feudal dues.

I doubt you'd find what your looking for outside a mod. Barons have had any agency they had in CKII removed (same with mayors) and in CKII their opinion of you actually mattered. In this game? doesn't matter at all. You also couldn't revoke baronies in CKII without invoking tyranny amongst all your vassals.

[Kimlin]

Barons should have a better and bigger role. Even Knights were more important in real life.

[CrUsHeR]

Barons have an army and can have knights, but they have no courtiers or vassals. They may have living relatives at court, though.

Them not having courtiers and not being part of the primary ruler activity routine is mainly for performance savings.

Originally posted by Seek and Find:

You also couldn't revoke baronies in CKII without invoking tyranny amongst all your vassals.

Just a reminder, you cannot tyrannically revoke titles in CK2 at all. You need to "plot to revoke" which only works under very specific circumstances, and you need co-plotters to join you.

(IIRC) for a baron, you needed to land them somewhere else, plus some other conditions. Then you can use the revoke plot against them.

Generally the baronies were a complete mess in CK2, you could have foreign rulers inherit castles right within your capital county. And they weren't even a physical location, just a slot under the county holding.

[dannyvader007]

Honestly, I love the fact that I can easily revoke baronies in CK3. You must know how to use them. You have to know how to use your barons. Mayor's and Baron's opinions do actually matter in Ck3 because if they don't like you, they will join to murder you.

I only grant castle baronies to my old relatives who can't have any children and their children have duchies. I never grant castle baronies to unrealted characters. Or I also grant a barony to a nephew who will inherit a duchy or who will be granted a duchy. It can be an uncle, cousin or even brother. But when his kids turn 15, I give those kids duchies. Those kids later won't inherit that barony and the barony goes back to me.


It would have been insane if a foreign ruler could inherit my barony. That would make no sense.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by dannyvader007:

Honestly, I love the fact that I can easily revoke baronies in CK3. You must know how to use them. You have to know how to use your barons. Mayor's and Baron's opinions do actually matter in Ck3 because if they don't like you, they will join to murder you.

I only grant castle baronies to my old relatives who can't have any children and their children have duchies. I never grant castle baronies to unrealted characters. Or I also grant a barony to a nephew who will inherit a duchy or who will be granted a duchy. It can be an uncle, cousin or even brother. But when his kids turn 15, I give those kids duchies. Those kids later won't inherit that barony and the barony goes back to me.


It would have been insane if a foreign ruler could inherit my barony. That would make no sense.

I use baronies in a similar way. I search for unlanded dynasty members who are not in line to inherit land.