Byzantin Empire is always too strong,

[Thomas_Mertzen]

I mean, all my games look the same. There is the big Byzantine Empire slowly growing and swallowing everything and they never loose a war. Orthodox church become predominent, balkaniks, caucasians and assyriens cultures desappear along with apostolic church. This is not realistic. There should be some counter-mechanics to weakened the Bizantine or make it eventually collapse.

[Elenjo [Ger]]

does it affect your gameplay? if yes which country do you play?
if youre a king or below as a neigbour then sway to him so you get in his empire and go to war with some of his vassals , if youre big enough and may have a claim on his titel, just do a faction and then youre the leader of byzantin

[Heraclius Caesar]

Wow, I'm so tired of you guys complaining about the Byzantine empire in this game. This must be the 3rd thread about it in a week.

No, the Byzantine empire is not OP or too strong.

Why should they collapse in game if things are going well for them? This game (unfortunately) does not follow any sort of historical mode or historical path, and if they're not experiencing a crisis or revolt or invasion like they did in history, then again, why should they collapse? So the game would be easier for you?

The AI Byzantine empire can be easily defeated, and just because you haven't seen them implode or collapse doesn't really mean anything tbh, because I can simply turn around and say that I and many others have seen them collapse due to revolts/invasions/etc.

Stop trying to drag down Byzantium simply because you're too weak in game to take a swing at them. The issue isn't with the Byzantine empire, its with your strategy and tactics, your gameplay.

[titanopteryx]

Well it needs to stick around because there's a mechanic with the norse culture that requires it to exist. Specifically sending their male dynasty members to be guards there in exchange for stat increases and the related trait being added. In another thread recently someone said that when he was playing as the byzantine empire the norse dynasty members would appear as guests in his court.

[Tao]

In my second recent game, I saw a complete collapse of the Byzantine Empire. All of the vassals gained independence.

In my most recent game as Daura, I managed to push the Byzantine Empire out of Africa.

I would say that the Byzantines are only overpowered if I play them. I am not really trying to get nerfed, ya know?

[regloh70]

It is rare that i see MaA in their stacks, just levies, so i destroy them with my MaA army.
Byzantium is in no way OP, they are rather week i would say.

[Scrotum Scratcher]

agreed. i don't think i've ever seen the byzantines decline in ck3. ck2 was more balanced in that regard. the weaker muslim rulers and easier realm management makes byzantines a powerhouse. they don't have to worry about internal problems since realm management is so easy and the nearby rulers get holy war'd and absorbed by the byzantines

[Kvinden]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Well it needs to stick around because there's a mechanic with the norse culture that requires it to exist. Specifically sending their male dynasty members to be guards there in exchange for stat increases and the related trait being added. In another thread recently someone said that when he was playing as the byzantine empire the norse dynasty members would appear as guests in his court.

The reverse is true too. It is very boring because you can't simply kick them and they don't pay a rent

For the byzantine empire just some patience, you don't need confrontation. think of usurpation of a duchy as soone as possible and develop friendhsip with your new vassals, they will conquer the empire for you without even asking your permission and you will not even be at war with the empire yourself.
It is the same for other strong kingdoms like Omeyade. One of my vassals, duchess of Normandy conquered spain entirely in some years from a county I had given to her in Murcia. I was busy in Estonia and only noticed when I saw the normandy was renamed Andalucia. She is my vassal ( and a very loyal one for a change), so it belongs to me. I never had a war in Spain but from this base the conquest of Maghreb was a piece of cake.

Diplomacy is not very good in the game but very efficient. Marriages have no purpose, better marry your sons to commoners because friendship with rulers is much better than alliances.

[Elenjo [Ger]]

Originally posted by Hoxton:

In my second recent game, I saw a complete collapse of the Byzantine Empire. All of the vassals gained independence.

In my most recent game as Daura, I managed to push the Byzantine Empire out of Africa.

I would say that the Byzantines are only overpowered if I play them. I am not really trying to get nerfed, ya know?

i didnt saw it that every vassal got independence for myself but a bit of them

I m with daura at the moment too and i m kind of be on step with them, got the first kingdom too :D

i saw the byantines overpowered a dozen of times, especally when the took chasaria under them or the majority of it, same for Bulgaria and ofc North Africa

[Thomas_Mertzen]

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

Wow, I'm so tired of you guys complaining about the Byzantine empire in this game. This must be the 3rd thread about it in a week.

No, the Byzantine empire is not OP or too strong.

Why should they collapse in game if things are going well for them? This game (unfortunately) does not follow any sort of historical mode or historical path, and if they're not experiencing a crisis or revolt or invasion like they did in history, then again, why should they collapse? So the game would be easier for you?

The AI Byzantine empire can be easily defeated, and just because you haven't seen them implode or collapse doesn't really mean anything tbh, because I can simply turn around and say that I and many others have seen them collapse due to revolts/invasions/etc.

Stop trying to drag down Byzantium simply because you're too weak in game to take a swing at them. The issue isn't with the Byzantine empire, its with your strategy and tactics, your gameplay.

My complain is not about their military power but more about the fact that they destroy other nearby culture. This is not realistic. How schould Serbian, Vlach or Georgian culture be replaced by Greek. It doesn't work like this in reality.

[Elenjo [Ger]]

Originally posted by Thomas_Mertzen:

My complain is not about their military power but more about the fact that they destroy other nearby culture. This is not realistic. How schould Serbian, Vlach or Georgian culture be replaced by Greek. It doesn't work like this in reality.

thats the only thing you care?
well this is how the game works, Rulers converse their culture, but the AI wont do it so frequently as a Human Player.

[Thomas_Mertzen]

Originally posted by Elenjo Ger:

Originally posted by Thomas_Mertzen:

My complain is not about their military power but more about the fact that they destroy other nearby culture. This is not realistic. How schould Serbian, Vlach or Georgian culture be replaced by Greek. It doesn't work like this in reality.

thats the only thing you care?
well this is how the game works, Rulers converse their culture, but the AI wont do it so frequently as a Human Player.

game is suppose to be a realistic simulation,
in reality culture do not dies so easily,
devs should come up with some kind of counter balance mechanisms with minor culture that could re-raise for example,
make no sense like this

[Elenjo [Ger]]

Originally posted by Thomas_Mertzen:

game is suppose to be a realistic simulation,
in reality culture do not dies so easily,
devs should come up with some kind of counter balance mechanisms with minor culture that could re-raise for example,
make no sense like this

can you show me where it says that this is a realistic simulation?

and you do realise that it only converse the land not the characters, and characters can re-convert their land?

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Thomas_Mertzen:

Originally posted by Heraclius Caesar:

Wow, I'm so tired of you guys complaining about the Byzantine empire in this game. This must be the 3rd thread about it in a week.

No, the Byzantine empire is not OP or too strong.

Why should they collapse in game if things are going well for them? This game (unfortunately) does not follow any sort of historical mode or historical path, and if they're not experiencing a crisis or revolt or invasion like they did in history, then again, why should they collapse? So the game would be easier for you?

The AI Byzantine empire can be easily defeated, and just because you haven't seen them implode or collapse doesn't really mean anything tbh, because I can simply turn around and say that I and many others have seen them collapse due to revolts/invasions/etc.

Stop trying to drag down Byzantium simply because you're too weak in game to take a swing at them. The issue isn't with the Byzantine empire, its with your strategy and tactics, your gameplay.

My complain is not about their military power but more about the fact that they destroy other nearby culture. This is not realistic. How schould Serbian, Vlach or Georgian culture be replaced by Greek. It doesn't work like this in reality.

Look at the post and title you used to create this thread:

"Byzantine empire is always too strong, there is the big Byzantine empire slowly growing and swallowing everything and they never lose a war..."

That's not a complaint about their military power?

It's basically a sandbox rpg game, it's not based in reality or history from the moment you unpause the game. This is not a historically accurate game, and, again, the game does not start with and does not have a historical mode.

You're wanting them to collapse and be easier for you to deal with, but if they're not experiencing the conditions that would cause such a collapse (since it's a video game after all, which does not have a historical mode or script, and where pretty much anything can happen) then why should they? If you're really expecting reality from Crusader Kings, Idk what to tell you there. Perhaps petition Paradox to offer a historical mode dlc. I'd buy it.

Or request that they put in features like EU4 has, where if certain negative conditions are met, a historical revolt or crisis will happen. I'd be cool with that.

By your logic though shouldn't other realms and cultures also not be able to grow powerful and to destroy and replace conquered cultures? This can be done easily as any realm or culture, not just Byzantium, by the AI or the player, so why should just Byzantium be nerfed in this way?

Also, how isn't it realistic that the cultures you mentioned shouldn't be replaced by Greek? Greek is the culture of the Byzantine empire (which is in fact the Roman empire) by the time periods of this game, and if each of those places you mentioned once belonged to the Roman empire, and if the Roman empire reconquers them, then why shouldn't their culture be replaced? And if they are powerful and expand further than they did in history, what of it? Any realm and culture can do this in this game, so it's ridiculous that you're targeting the Byzantine empire.

There is no issue with Byzantium. If you're having trouble with the AI Byzantine empire, or you're somehow disturbed with their growth, there's plenty you can do to defeat them/cut them down. These complaints about Byzantium are nonsensical. You'll be alright.

[Rob'sEvilTwin]

The ERE would still be going strong if it was not for treacherous 4th Crusaders and Venetians!

[Eddie Latium]

Originally posted by Rob'sEvilTwin:

The ERE would still be going strong if it was not for treacherous 4th Crusaders and Venetians!

Hardly. Civil wars were one of their favourite hobbies.