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Ануслинг

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:43am

Confederate partition is cancer

Is there a way to surpass it rather than waiting for better law typers for 400 years? Its just stupid that my heir gets only capital. while his noname brothers get EVERYTHING ELSE, no matter were they landed or not.
Dont recommend me killing them, there are like 15 candidates, its impossible to kill them all.
Only possible way of playing this game for me is commencing a child crusade every time my ruler is about to die, but this is dumb.
Any suggestions?

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corisai

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:45am

Lol. don't make so many babies in first?

titanopteryx has Crusader Kings III

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:46am

Every member of your dynasty that has their own kingdom, or county or whatever they have, earns bonus renown. If dealing with confederate partition is annoying to you, maybe you should just run with it and farm renown for those dynasty unlocks.

Ануслинг

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:50am

Running with it means having 0 troops and income, also vassals are kinda useless, their contribution (even at its limits) is pathetic. It feels strange to that getting more land doesnt equel more power. U can just murder everyone, go for economy and get more army and income than any other faction, while staying at approx 7 domain limit and 0 vassals.
Feels like North Korea strategy is best, and Paradox dont know what they want from the game, like it was with stellaris.

Last edited by Ануслинг; Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:52am

boo

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:52am

You can conquer new lands and give them to your other kids. Or revoke from your vassals and give those to your kids. Marry women closer to age 35-40 so they can give you less kids, seduce a ♥♥♥♥♥ and get bastards in case your first born dies you can legitimize.

embrace the roleplay aspect of the game. A caring father would wish all his children to get his lands evenly. When you inherit as the first born, you hate your father for it but it is what it is. If you get deposed, welp, time to start conquering nearby fellow vasslas and make your way up again.

Trust me once you're a giant empire things get a bit lame. All you do is easily take new lands and fight rebels.

"Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, are given a chance to climb. They refuse, they cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is." -Littlefinger

Last edited by boo; Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:53am

TimberMeShivers has Crusader Kings III

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:54am

How are you even getting the capital? In my game my heir gets some undeveloped backwater instead of the capital

corisai

Sep 17, 2020 @ 9:55am

Originally posted by TimberMeShivers:
How are you even getting the capital? In my game my heir gets some undeveloped backwater instead of the capital

Let me guess - you'd landed your heir? :)

Ануслинг

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:00am

Originally posted by TimberMeShivers:
How are you even getting the capital? In my game my heir gets some undeveloped backwater instead of the capital

In the end it doesnt matter, because even if u have 1 brother, he gets EVERYTHING, and u get nothing. It happens evey time, i even swithed characters a few times to conquer the main weak retarded heir.
Only reliable way is to go the torturer tree and kill everyone u dont like (u can also abuse vassal imprisonment for insane income), 0 revolts, 0 brothers. Playing diplomacy tree and being nice is pointless. Its fine to win wars with allies without even raising troops and bathe in renown, BUT THIS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CONFEDERATE PARTITION IS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AND KILLS ALL THE FUN.

boo

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:04am

The "They get everything" shouldn't be happening. If there's two of you, the lands should be divided in half. Make sure you don't have titles with their own succession. Remove all laws from individual titles and let the realm laws apply to everything.

JuX

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:05am

In the end it doesn't matter too much since they pay taxes and levies regardless, which vassal contracts can be changed. Not mention they develop and convert the lands for you, instead of you doing everything with your funds and council members.

Doesn't even take too long to get partition laws to reduce inheritance losses.

Ануслинг

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:11am

Originally posted by JuX:
In the end it doesn't matter too much since they pay taxes and levies regardless, which vassal contracts can be changed. Not mention they develop and convert the lands for you, instead of you doing everything with your funds and council members.

Doesn't even take too long to get partition laws to reduce inheritance losses.

Are we playing the same game? If u own 10 castles with 100 soldiers in each, thats 1k soldiers.
If u own 1, and ur vassals own 9, providind 25% of soldiers, thats total 325 soldiers.
Same thing aplies to taxes, North Korea wouldnt work that good if things were the other way.

If u start in 900+ it takes a lot of time actually to unlock better laws. By this time i get half of France when playing Breton and loose it due to ♥♥♥♥ inheritance.

All in all, i see this as developers artificially gating me from getting too much power early, to balance the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI.

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titanopteryx has Crusader Kings III

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:14am

Originally posted by LoopedTillDayLight:
Originally posted by JuX:
In the end it doesn't matter too much since they pay taxes and levies regardless, which vassal contracts can be changed. Not mention they develop and convert the lands for you, instead of you doing everything with your funds and council members.

Doesn't even take too long to get partition laws to reduce inheritance losses.

Are we playing the same game? If u own 10 castles with 100 soldiers in each, thats 1k soldiers.
If u own 1, and ur vassals own 9, providind 25% of soldiers, thats total 325 soldiers.
Same thing aplies to taxes, North Korea wouldnt work that good if things were the other way.

If u start in 900+ it takes a lot of time actually to unlock better laws. By this time i get half of France when playing Breton and loose it due to ♥♥♥♥ inheritance.

All in all, i see this as developers artificially gating me from getting too much power early, to balance the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI.

The AI has the same issue with inheritance. Anyway, I don't believe the goal of the game is to unite the map under one banner. I think it's to try to have your dynasty survive until the end date.

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JuX

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:20am

Originally posted by LoopedTillDayLight:
Originally posted by JuX:
In the end it doesn't matter too much since they pay taxes and levies regardless, which vassal contracts can be changed. Not mention they develop and convert the lands for you, instead of you doing everything with your funds and council members.

Doesn't even take too long to get partition laws to reduce inheritance losses.

Are we playing the same game? If u own 10 castles with 100 soldiers in each, thats 1k soldiers.
If u own 1, and ur vassals own 9, providind 25% of soldiers, thats total 325 soldiers.
Same thing aplies to taxes, North Korea wouldnt work that good if things were the other way.

If u start in 900+ it takes a lot of time actually to unlock better laws. By this time i get half of France when playing Breton and loose it due to ♥♥♥♥ inheritance.

All in all, i see this as developers artificially gating me from getting too much power early, to balance the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI.

You are loosing France cause you haven't formed an empire. Only emperor can retain a realm beyond the limits of a Kingdom, as it's status/tittle value is higher then a King.

Long as you are the cultural head and have decent learning skill or spouse that buff you. Along with spending one skill point in learning focus you can go through technology sooo much faster then simply letting it happen passively.

I have no trouble being most superior military power around without murdering my family and being wealthy.

And so far iv been playing the earlier startup year

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Gazebo

Sep 17, 2020 @ 10:31am

Easy guide how to deal with confederate partition:

1. Be the head of your dinasty

2. Choose one kid who you want to be heir

3. Right-click on all other kids and choose Disinherit option (will cost some Prestige and Renown)

Boom! Succession is safe! And don't worry about legacies - disinherited kids are still part of your dinasty and will contribute to Renown income.

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Fizix

Sep 17, 2020 @ 11:52am

Confederate partition is especially broken for the HRE. If you form the HRE in 867 it will still split the empire (yes the HRE) into empire Italia, Germania, and HRE somehow. That shouldn't be happening.

If you hold enough of Italy as the HRE to form empire Italia in 1066 it can also break off with confederate partition. Why an empire is splitting off of an existing empire is beyond me. This never happened in CK2.

Oh and for whatever reason the AI selecting male only law for the title ignores confederate partition. Look at West Francia in 867. One dude gets both Aquitaine and West Francia when confederate partition should mean a split.

This may be an unpopular opinion but Paradox's QA testing doesn't exist. I have this game on Xbox game pass atm and I am happy I didn't pay full price. I got maybe halfway through a single playthrough before realizing how many things aren't even working correctly. There are other things that also badly need to be rebalanced too.

I agree with OP somewhat that partition right now blows. I can RP with partition to a point while going through the years in CK3. Waiting till the very end of the game for primo does suck though when you know the AI is getting primogeniture for free because of some bug.

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