Any reason to create a vassal Republic?

[Archer the Bowless]

As Poland I took Gdansk from the Pagans up north. It was a huge trade city so I gave the county and duchy to a mayor so he's a merchant republic vassal now. In CK2 this always gave you a negative modifier of wrong government type, but they brought in a lot of gold. With the way things work right now in CK3, does anyone know if vassal republics are worth it? Do they have any functional bugs or anything? Would it still just be better off to make it a regular duchy?

In doing so I revoked a city to give it to a courtier I liked. Got a message say I don't get any tyranny when revoking barony level titles. That was surprising.

[Mad Max]

As far as I know a Republic Vassal is just an unchanging, consistent vassal that can't change contract. They are boring, but will always provide you with dependable income.

[Babarigo]

There's no way to increase their obligations like you can with feudal contracts for feudal vassals so I wouldn't bother with them. 20% taxes isn't particulary good, the realm priest will give 50% taxes if you have 100 relations wiht him.

[titanopteryx]

The way it works is in 4 section counties, you can build a second castle there but it won't let you until you build both a temple and city first. The reason you might want a second castle is to have an extra one for a Holy Order? A Holy Order HQ in your territory means free mercenaries for you.

And on a different note, anyone know if one mayor can hold multiple cities?

[VayneVerso]

Can I necro this one? I've seen various thoughts on this, to one post on reddit that said that republic vassals are almost broken because they're so good.

I've been thinking to create sort of an economic/development hub in the middle of my territory (because wars are damn expensive when you go feudal), and I'm wondering why I wouldn't take one of the smaller duchies and just turn it Republic. What are the cons I'm not seeing? Seems like the money is better and it's like one fewer duke that will turn against your heir on the next succession.

The downside is fewer levies? But levies are massively expensive, anyway, and I almost don't even bother to raise them--I'd rather pay for mercenaries. What else?

[CrUsHeR]

If you have high crown authority, so the lord mayor cannot get conquered by other vassals, go for it.

I think i already wrote the math about republican vassals in another thread. Since the lord mayor can hold all the cities and castles in his domain himself, you get direct taxes from all of them. This is already much better than the filtered taxes from feudal vassals (who only get 20% from their mayors).

Base tax is already very high for republicans, and you can invest 3 points into Avarice lifestyle to maximize this (you probably spend 1 point there anyways for Golden Obligations).

You should try to revoke all cities and castles in the area beforehand, so the one mayor can hold as many of them as possible. In theory he could revoke them himself without issues, but i'm not sure if the AI always does that on its own initiative.

[VayneVerso]

Thanks for the response. Sadly, I don't have high crown authority yet. Forgot about that part. Guess I have to wait about 30 game years to get this researched. Darn.

I might give it a shot, anyway, and see what happens.

[Constantine]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

If you have high crown authority, so the lord mayor cannot get conquered by other vassals, go for it.

I think i already wrote the math about republican vassals in another thread. Since the lord mayor can hold all the cities and castles in his domain himself, you get direct taxes from all of them. This is already much better than the filtered taxes from feudal vassals (who only get 20% from their mayors).

Base tax is already very high for republicans, and you can invest 3 points into Avarice lifestyle to maximize this (you probably spend 1 point there anyways for Golden Obligations).

You should try to revoke all cities and castles in the area beforehand, so the one mayor can hold as many of them as possible. In theory he could revoke them himself without issues, but i'm not sure if the AI always does that on its own initiative.

Can you link the math you have done?