Does CK3 have Naval Combat?

[KERNBOOM FORDOLF]

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[viranto]

Not yet, but maybe we get an dlc like in hoi. But i don't think so. Naval Combat is not really important for me. Maybe as wiking. But, yeah, you don't run into ships in ck2 that often. So i don't need it. Would be nice to have ships to block ports or trade. But i don't need warships

[archonsod]

Escrito originalmente por Mansen:

I am pretty dang sure the Vikings never had actual naval battles. It was all about getting people from A to B. Not ship to ship battles.

They did. See for example the Battle of Helge. Their ships weren't equipped for combat though so for the most part they tended to avoid it - most of the battles we do know about tend to be small scale (most often one band of raiders attacking another).

Naval tactics hadn't really changed much from the ancient Greeks, it was still largely a case of ramming and boarding, and fighting what was essentially a land battle across the decks of the galleys. Outside of the Med naval combat was therefore much less important. It's not really until they start putting cannon on the ships that it changes, primarily because ships now had a means of destroying each other that didn't depend entirely on a boarding action.
There's still some significant naval combats in the Med and Black Sea, though cultures there still equipped their ships with rams - in Western Europe these had been removed (what they did have was primarily designed to destroy oars to allow for boarding rather than damage the ship itself).

[EA Latium]

Escrito originalmente por Mansen:

It wasn't really a thing in Medieval Europe.

It definitely was a thing in the Mediterranean, which touches quite a few countries in game. For instance that's how Venice and Genoa became major players after the fall of Rome, speaking of which, England even "rented" the Genoese flag for their ships as deterrent for enemies in the 12th century.

As for OP, this is a quote from the FAQ[forum.paradoxplaza.com]

Escrito originalmente por PDX-Nicou:

▲ Naval Combat, yay or nay?
► There will be no Naval Combat at Launch, however we aren't closed to that specific feature in a far future

I hope they will be included too in the future, as it may add some playstyle; personal speculation, I think we will know more when Merchant Republics will be discussed.

[KipReigns]

Escrito originalmente por Mansen:

It wasn't really a thing in Medieval Europe.

actually it was a huge thing, just not talked about much.

[Machiavelli]

I prefer naval combat then opposing armies sailing past eachother lul.

Instead of improving/adding to the ck2 naval system, they just removed it entirely. what a smart thing paradox. hope it works out for VICTORIA 3!!!

[Crim]

Escrito originalmente por My Lord of Fellington:

I prefer naval combat then opposing armies sailing past eachother lul.

Instead of improving/adding to the ck2 naval system, they just removed it entirely. what a smart thing paradox. hope it works out for VICTORIA 3!!!

Sounds like an improvement for me

Here's hoping they remove it from EU5

Since the indepth Naval Combat of EU4 is basically...
Are you UK? If yes, you pretty much win
Are you Spain/Portugal? If yes, you can explore
Are you a Trade nation? If yes, here's 100 Trade Ships
Are you Ottoman? If yes, here's 100 Galleys
The End

[Tanuvein]

I wish, I think it would add a lot to the game but I don't think that's the direction games are going these days. I was sad when CA removed naval battles but everyone else seemed okay with it and disinterested in naval combat. I think we see a little of that here, perhaps. Outside of World of Warships there don't seem to be a lot of gaming naval enthusiast.

[KERNBOOM FORDOLF]

Its not about naval enthusiasm, it is about strategy, about defending shores, about disallowing passage, etc. The strategic factor of a navy is non existent in CK2/3 while they only need to take a peek at HOI4 and copy a simplified version of it.

[Crim]

Escrito originalmente por KERNBOOM:

Its not about naval enthusiasm, it is about strategy, about defending shores, about disallowing passage, etc. The strategic factor of a navy is non existent in CK2/3 while they only need to take a peek at HOI4 and copy a simplified version of it.

HOI4 Navy is an absurdly awkward, clunky, and poorly balanced system

HOI4 would probably be improved by deleting its Naval Combat

[Machiavelli]

Escrito originalmente por Talamare:

Escrito originalmente por My Lord of Fellington:

I prefer naval combat then opposing armies sailing past eachother lul.

Instead of improving/adding to the ck2 naval system, they just removed it entirely. what a smart thing paradox. hope it works out for VICTORIA 3!!!

Sounds like an improvement for me

Here's hoping they remove it from EU5

Since the indepth Naval Combat of EU4 is basically...
Are you UK? If yes, you pretty much win
Are you Spain/Portugal? If yes, you can explore
Are you a Trade nation? If yes, here's 100 Trade Ships
Are you Ottoman? If yes, here's 100 Galleys
The End

Remove naval warfare in an era of exploration and overseas colonialism? wat are u smoking? paying gold to go to provinces is better in eu and ck?

ck3 kinda makes sense from the surface level understanding of the devs, since medieval naval battles werent the most common thing ever nor the most recorded things in history. still doesn't justify it. but eu4-5?. no. naval battles def need to be in. especially if eu5 intends to cover the napoleonic era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sluys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_La_Rochelle

As you can see, we have various medieval artworks depicting naval warfare in the time period of ck3. It's a rather simple affair, where they would ram ships, shoot arrows and board etc. Paradox just skirts around these nusianced things than actually adding it in.

I'm pretty sure the Arabs and Byzantines also had professional navies in the era. This isn't represented obviously..

[Kimlin]

The naval system could use a good revamp or overhaul.

[MaGicBush]

Escrito originalmente por Tanuvein:

I wish, I think it would add a lot to the game but I don't think that's the direction games are going these days. I was sad when CA removed naval battles but everyone else seemed okay with it and disinterested in naval combat. I think we see a little of that here, perhaps. Outside of World of Warships there don't seem to be a lot of gaming naval enthusiast.

There's a few games like uboat as well.

[Crim]

Escrito originalmente por My Lord of Fellington:

Escrito originalmente por Talamare:

Sounds like an improvement for me

Here's hoping they remove it from EU5

Since the indepth Naval Combat of EU4 is basically...
Are you UK? If yes, you pretty much win
Are you Spain/Portugal? If yes, you can explore
Are you a Trade nation? If yes, here's 100 Trade Ships
Are you Ottoman? If yes, here's 100 Galleys
The End

Remove naval warfare in an era of exploration and overseas colonialism? wat are u smoking? paying gold to go to provinces is better in eu and ck?

ck3 kinda makes sense from the surface level understanding of the devs, since medieval naval battles werent the most common thing ever nor the most recorded things in history. still doesn't justify it. but eu4-5?. no. naval battles def need to be in. especially if eu5 intends to cover the napoleonic era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sluys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_La_Rochelle

As you can see, we have various medieval artworks depicting naval warfare in the time period of ck3. It's a rather simple affair, where they would ram ships, shoot arrows and board etc. Paradox just skirts around these nusianced things than actually adding it in.

I'm pretty sure the Arabs and Byzantines also had professional navies in the era. This isn't represented obviously..

It's not about it existing in reality, its about how insanely awful Paradox has proven to be with it.

Besides, in EU4 one of the best upgrades was "auto explorations" much better system mechanically

[The Former]

Escrito originalmente por MarkFranz:

Now there is no ships at all. So, no, CK3 doesn't have naval combat.

That's deceptive. There are ships, there just aren't standing navies (and there shouldn't be).

Escrito originalmente por Þorkell:

"not a thing" - LOL

Just some of the most important battles of Scandinavian history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hj%C3%B6rungav%C3%A1gr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Svolder

I respect your love of Scandinavia, but I regret to inform you that Scandinavia is not the majority of the game world. In fact it's quite a minuscule portion.

[titanopteryx]

There are ships in this game. Armies keep them it their pockets and then pull them out when they go onto the water and then put them back in when they go back on shore.

There was one instance of naval combat. I saw a viking and I said, "Is that a boat in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?". He says, "It's a boat.". Then he pulled it out and crushed me with it. Then my heir says to him, "Why the long boat?". Then my heir got crushed too. Then it was game over because my whole dynasty was dead.