is ck3 gunna be a dlc fest like ck2?

[GhostAssassin]

i always liked the look of ck2, and have even tried n enjoyed ck2 on free weekends etc. but the number and price of dlc's is stupid to say the least, and highly offputting for us who dont live of our mums credit card. if ck3 is more accessable and will have less dlc+more FREE expansions (paradox, yes that word exists, FREE) i will probably get it

[AdahnGorion]

Publicado originalmente por GhostAssassin:

Publicado originalmente por Dremall:

CK2 is a fairly old game, and all that DLC was slowly added over the years. Some of it was great, and others were duds. Was any of it essential? No. It however added to an already great game. I'm hoping CK3 will be just as fun.

I do too. But im just concerned i buy it then miss out on a lot of content cus its all behind stupid paywall. 1-2 major dlcs at reasonable price is ok. “Flavour” packs n ♥♥♥♥ like that every 5 mins is not ok

You do know that CK2 have 16 song packs (one is free) none of them are essential, they are there to offer you options, due to the nature of these songpacks, they obviously cost money.. personally however, I have been happy with a few of them (I also really like the Sabaton ones in HoI4)

Then you have some portrait packs, not essential either, but some of them gave me atleast, some good extra flavour for relative cheap cash (it is not like all release at once) often the flavour is spread out and dictated about what people wants. I wish I could tell you more about the process, but I would obviously not be allowed to for various logical reasons. Just understand that they focus on what customers want.

You also have a few ebooks (I am a huge long time fan) and even I don´t own those.


The only gameplay essential dlcs are the expansions, you get 1-2 a year on avarage and you pay on avarage 22 euro a year (25 euro, if you want abit of fluff as well) I think that is pretty cheap, for enhancing a already complete game with new "free" features and "extra" ones with expansions... because please remember.. you get the free update, no matter if you buy an expansion or not.

I personally did not buy various portrait packs (until they were on sale for a euro and I just wanted to see them, some of them is not even active) I also did not buy Sunset Invasion.. I had no interest, it did not hinder my game or gameplay, nor did I miss out on anything.. I did eventually get it, because again, huge sale... But the times I have used it or its features can be counted on two hands.

[Higgs]

When are games now a days not have DLC?

[Aurumlamina]

I'm a huge supporter of the Paradox DLC model. It keeps great games fresh with near limitless content. If you want to keep having more developed, you have to pay as games aren't a charity, they're a business.

As someone who plays all of the Paradox grand strategies, the DLC is always worth its weight in gold.

[The Former]

Side note, can we stop using terms like "justify" in these discussions? It's our money, we don't need to justify to anyone but our spouses how we spend it. Whether you're skipping the DLC or buying all of it, neither is an "incorrect" choice.

[Azurda]

Publicado originalmente por GhostAssassin:

i always liked the look of ck2, and have even tried n enjoyed ck2 on free weekends etc. but the number and price of dlc's is stupid to say the least

Wdym, 19$ is like 1.5h of salary in civilized countries.

[mbpoblet]

Publicado originalmente por Azurda:

Publicado originalmente por GhostAssassin:

i always liked the look of ck2, and have even tried n enjoyed ck2 on free weekends etc. but the number and price of dlc's is stupid to say the least

Wdym, 19$ is like 1.5h of salary in civilized countries.

The way I look at it, is by asking myself how much I'd spend on things I enjoy (movies or books, for instance, or a good meal), and how long I enjoy them... and looking at what I've spent on Paradox games and their expansions and content packs... and the thousands of hours I've spent playing them... damn if they're not some of the most cost-effective fun I've ever had...

[Malus131]

Publicado originalmente por mbpoblet:

Publicado originalmente por Azurda:

Wdym, 19$ is like 1.5h of salary in civilized countries.

The way I look at it, is by asking myself how much I'd spend on things I enjoy (movies or books, for instance, or a good meal), and how long I enjoy them... and looking at what I've spent on Paradox games and their expansions and content packs... and the thousands of hours I've spent playing them... damn if they're not some of the most cost-effective fun I've ever had...

Same as me then. My general rule of thumb is (some games aside) if I get an hour of enjoyment out of it for every quid I paid, I'll consider a game a very good buy. And by Odin's wrinkly ball sack if CK2 and other paradox games aren't the best value for money I've potentially ever had

[Hao Zhao]

Publicado originalmente por GhostAssassin:

FREE expansions (paradox, yes that word exists, FREE) i will probably get it

You try working for free and tell us how much you like it.

DLCs cost money for us because it costs money to make them. Sweden has these terribly tyrannical laws called "labour laws" and they seem to be pretty stubborn about employees being paid in currency.

[The Former]

Publicado originalmente por Hao Zhao:

Publicado originalmente por GhostAssassin:

FREE expansions (paradox, yes that word exists, FREE) i will probably get it

You try working for free and tell us how much you like it.

DLCs cost money for us because it costs money to make them. Sweden has these terribly tyrannical laws called "labour laws" and they seem to be pretty stubborn about employees being paid in currency.

Sounds about right.

"FREE labor (applicants, yes that word exists, FREE), I will probably hire you."

Publicado originalmente por Pixie Perfect:

I don't know why people get upset over content that they could avoid paying for and still have fun playing the game.

It's because of the hindsight misconception that you do need the DLC to have fun. That the game is deliberately crafted to be a shell into which DLC will later be plugged one by one until it's complete.

It makes me wonder, if they released CK3 to rave reviews and didn't release any DLC for the next decade... Would the same people still call it an incomplete game?

[GrandMajora]

Title of this thread should be "Is this game gonna be a DLC fest, like every strategy game Paradox has produced?"

[AdahnGorion]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Title of this thread should be "Is this game gonna be a DLC fest, like every strategy game Paradox has produced?"

You mean like CK and its one dlc?
Or what about Vicky 2 ? EU2 ? want us to keep going?

[Tom37]

Lord knows what some of these people that are unhappy with Paradox's DLC policy feel about games like this one which has so many DLC, you cannot even find the add all dlc button lol.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/Train_Simulator_2020/

[The Former]

Publicado originalmente por Darkie:

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Title of this thread should be "Is this game gonna be a DLC fest, like every strategy game Paradox has produced?"

You mean like CK and its one dlc?
Or what about Vicky 2 ? EU2 ? want us to keep going?

Still waiting for Sengoku to get literally one DLC.

[Athmet]

Publicado originalmente por World's Coolest Old Guy:

It's because of the hindsight misconception that you do need the DLC to have fun. That the game is deliberately crafted to be a shell into which DLC will later be plugged one by one until it's complete.

It makes me wonder, if they released CK3 to rave reviews and didn't release any DLC for the next decade... Would the same people still call it an incomplete game?

There is also the strong possibility of human nature: your neighbor can afford to pay for something you cannot and suddenly that thing that is not vital for you become an object that you absolutely need and you deem it unfair that your neighbor was able to buy it and not you.

[Athmet]

Publicado originalmente por Pixie Perfect:

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

There is also the strong possibility of human nature: your neighbor can afford to pay for something you cannot and suddenly that thing that is not vital for you become an object that you absolutely need and you deem it unfair that your neighbor was able to buy it and not you.

I don't understand how that relates to what I said?

Lol sorry, amended my post to only quote WCOG