Reforge Rarity

[Hawara]

I haven't used it but before i do i have a question. Does the item keep it's traits or do i get a completely different one with higher rarity?

[Alan]

It gets randomized. Use it on junk blues to make random relics and hope for the best. 99% of the time, sell them for relic dust.

[sandman25dcsss]

Don't sell relics of your current level. It looks like game does not give you relics you already have (the only exception was when I got a relic in battle and the same relic from forge in the same turn) so if you keep junk relics, you will get other relics. You still can sell relics of lower level of course.

[AT1st]

Also you can save before you hit the end mission button and reload if the random item in the forge is not what you were hoping for.
You can do that for merchant and magic tower restock, too. It's a bit lame to do but items are quite important in late game so it is hard to say no to a good "free" item from the forge (I also don't like that you can't upgrade/level up your desired item there but always get a random item - stupid design decision imo)

[Zeel Ara]

Yea, the forge is just a garbage bin for items you would otherwise have sold. Terrible design. They went for something akin to the crafting in ARPGs that Path of Exile pioneered, but holy cow did they fail on every level.

[AT1st]

Publicado originalmente por Ratley:

Yea, the forge is just a garbage bin for items you would otherwise have sold. Terrible design. They went for something akin to the crafting in ARPGs that Path of Exile pioneered, but holy cow did they fail on every level.

Well it could be improved for sure...
Level up should have an option if you want to keep the base item or create a new one.
And the other big weakness is that "enhancing" doesn't scale with the level/rarity.
+2 armor or damage is great in the beginning but useless for relics considering it needs a topaz to use it.

[Bluem00n111]

I see it as another way to generate more relics, always nice to have more chances to find what you are looking for.

I do wish there was an option to just forge a relic with the traits want for like 3 topaz and 2k dust. that seems like a fair price. The game's a lot of fun but the replayability is only there if you can build out the different heroes in different ways.
I don't want to be stuck with lvl 5 relics at lvl 25 because nothing better has come up due to RNG. (For the story missions)

[Hawara]

Thanks for the answers, seems like a good way to make relics for specific itemslots and classes then.
Would you wait for endgame to use up your gems and dust though? I'm lvl 15 on the second highest difficulty and until now i didn't have any problem but i read that there is a difficulty spike later.

[Alan]

Publicado originalmente por Hawara:

Thanks for the answers, seems like a good way to make relics for specific itemslots and classes then.
Would you wait for endgame to use up your gems and dust though? I'm lvl 15 on the second highest difficulty and until now i didn't have any problem but i read that there is a difficulty spike later.

I'm also playing on hard. There was a spike (sort of) at Act IV due to tougher elite enemies and less trash.

I bought items from the Tower when I wanted them and didn't worry about it too much. Also, you can buy dust for gold and you should have lots of gold from selling greens and blues. I've only used a few Topazes on items I feel like I'll keep around for 5-10 levels.

[M€M3!N$]

Turn relics into dust and get the things you actually can see the stats for in the tower. Tower always has relics better than those turned into relics at the forge. At least so far for me. I've upgraded three relics that I think are now useless. Turn them into dust and bought a decent ring

[sandman25dcsss]

Publicado originalmente por Bluem00n111:

I see it as another way to generate more relics, always nice to have more chances to find what you are looking for.

I do wish there was an option to just forge a relic with the traits want for like 3 topaz and 2k dust. that seems like a fair price. The game's a lot of fun but the replayability is only there if you can build out the different heroes in different ways.
I don't want to be stuck with lvl 5 relics at lvl 25 because nothing better has come up due to RNG. (For the story missions)

You probably overestimate relics. I often use blue or even green items despite having same level relics in inventory, it all depends on properties. Using level 5 relics in weapon/armor slots is extremely bad idea when you can have level 15 items, damage/protection is too low.

[M€M3!N$]

Publicado originalmente por sandman25dcsss:

Publicado originalmente por Bluem00n111:

I see it as another way to generate more relics, always nice to have more chances to find what you are looking for.

I do wish there was an option to just forge a relic with the traits want for like 3 topaz and 2k dust. that seems like a fair price. The game's a lot of fun but the replayability is only there if you can build out the different heroes in different ways.
I don't want to be stuck with lvl 5 relics at lvl 25 because nothing better has come up due to RNG. (For the story missions)

You probably overestimate relics. I often use blue or even green items despite having same level relics in inventory, it all depends on properties. Using level 5 relics in weapon/armor slots is extremely bad idea when you can have level 15 items, damage/protection is too low.

Yes. Sometimes new higher level greens or blues are way better than low level relics. And that's one of my minor issues with this game. A relic should be a relic. A relic should be rare and OP until 10 levels higher. Maybe every five levels for this game though. I don't know what Max level is but I think it's 25?

[Alan]

Publicado originalmente por M€M3!N$:

Publicado originalmente por sandman25dcsss:

You probably overestimate relics. I often use blue or even green items despite having same level relics in inventory, it all depends on properties. Using level 5 relics in weapon/armor slots is extremely bad idea when you can have level 15 items, damage/protection is too low.

Yes. Sometimes new higher level greens or blues are way better than low level relics. And that's one of my minor issues with this game. A relic should be a relic. A relic should be rare and OP until 10 levels higher. Maybe every five levels for this game though. I don't know what Max level is but I think it's 25?

That's how the good relics with unique effects work. Sadly, good relics are fairly rare. Most are just slightly stronger regular items.

[M€M3!N$]

Publicado originalmente por Alan:

Publicado originalmente por M€M3!N$:

Yes. Sometimes new higher level greens or blues are way better than low level relics. And that's one of my minor issues with this game. A relic should be a relic. A relic should be rare and OP until 10 levels higher. Maybe every five levels for this game though. I don't know what Max level is but I think it's 25?

That's how the good relics with unique effects work. Sadly, good relics are fairly rare. Most are just slightly stronger regular items.

Yep. Trash them at the tower and get things that are actually useful.

[sandman25dcsss]

Max item level is 20.
I stopped selling relics, hopefully it maximizes my chances to get other relics instead of the same bad relic again.

[Bluem00n111]

Publicado originalmente por sandman25dcsss:

Publicado originalmente por Bluem00n111:

I see it as another way to generate more relics, always nice to have more chances to find what you are looking for.

I do wish there was an option to just forge a relic with the traits want for like 3 topaz and 2k dust. that seems like a fair price. The game's a lot of fun but the replayability is only there if you can build out the different heroes in different ways.
I don't want to be stuck with lvl 5 relics at lvl 25 because nothing better has come up due to RNG. (For the story missions)

You probably overestimate relics. I often use blue or even green items despite having same level relics in inventory, it all depends on properties. Using level 5 relics in weapon/armor slots is extremely bad idea when you can have level 15 items, damage/protection is too low.

Sure I still use some blue items in my slots too because I didn't find relics with the effects I wanted. I just wish custom relics were a thing, that would enable some really cool builds without having to grind through endless hordes or cheat them into the game.