Please explain The Forge to me (post patch)...

[Tredekka]

I would appreciate it if someone could help refer me to an item upgrade path list or something... it's my first time playthrough, but it seems that when you upgrade the rarity, it turns it into a randomly upgraded new item of the same type (not just an improved version of the same item?.?)

My Forge is fully upgraded, btw... the purpose for it, from my viewpoint, was that I thought I'd be able to finally improve some of the non+1 aspects of the items; and while that's sort of true, it's not apparently what I was expecting.

I also seem to misunderstand how the leveling works, & now I've one of my goto items that's useless until I gain like 3 levels 😔

So overall, I'm looking for help in understanding all aspects of the Forge. Thanks & happy holidays! 🙂

[M€M3!N$]

Originally posted by Tredekka:

I would appreciate it if someone could help refer me to an item upgrade path list or something... it's my first time playthrough, but it seems that when you upgrade the rarity, it turns it into a randomly upgraded new item of the same type (not just an improved version of the same item?.?)

My Forge is fully upgraded, btw... the purpose for it, from my viewpoint, was that I thought I'd be able to finally improve some of the non+1 aspects of the items; and while that's sort of true, it's not apparently what I was expecting.

I also seem to misunderstand how the leveling works, & now I've one of my goto items that's useless until I gain like 3 levels 😔

So overall, I'm looking for help in understanding all aspects of the Forge. Thanks & happy holidays! 🙂

You probably figured it out by now but I'll bump this anyway. This is my first play through as well and as you say "reforge level" and "reforge rarity" changes everything. "Enhance" will +2 the wep damage or armor with "stronger enhancement" upgrade. As for "reforge level" they must be increments of 5 because I just upgraded a level 5 and it turned into a level 10. If that's not the case then I guess somebody else can correct me if there's like level 6-9. If I get a relic I don't want I sacrifice it at the tower for relic dust. Also the sapphires at the merchants seem to be relatively cheap. I think you can get two or three for like 300 gold. But the topaz are 900.

[Alan]

You aren't misunderstanding, you just think you are because the way the Forge is designed isn't particularly useful and is poorly described. It does not provide a way to level up your items, instead it's a random relic generator that requires a blue item and a gem to generate a random relic of the same type extremely slowly.

Once you realize that it doesn't actually work the way it should, you can use it for what it actually does, though that really isn't very useful, frankly.

Other than that, you can add +2 to armor or damage. So I guess there's that.

[M€M3!N$]

Originally posted by Alan:

You aren't misunderstanding, you just think you are because the way the Forge is designed isn't particularly useful and is poorly described. It does not provide a way to level up your items, instead it's a random relic generator that requires a blue item and a gem to generate a random relic of the same type.

Once you realize that it doesn't actually work the way it should, you can use it for what it actually does, though that really isn't very useful, frankly.

I wouldn't say it's useless. That level five I just upgraded to a level 10 went from...
19-22 15
+5 Damage while in Duel
*5 Damage against
Knocked Down Units

To...
21-29 15
Attacks apply 14%
Vulnerability for 2 Turns
+5 Damage for Cleave
Gain 2 AP for the first Turn of each Encounter

Decent upgrade for 1 sapphire.
All my heroes are 9-11 and that's the first level 10 ive seen. Combine that with how cheap the sapphires are at the merchant I can see the forge being OP.
As far as I can tell the only thing useless are emeralds. Who cares about upgrading a green if you can't keep the same stats when you reforge level or reforge rarity

[Alan]

Originally posted by M€M3!N$:

Originally posted by Alan:

You aren't misunderstanding, you just think you are because the way the Forge is designed isn't particularly useful and is poorly described. It does not provide a way to level up your items, instead it's a random relic generator that requires a blue item and a gem to generate a random relic of the same type.

Once you realize that it doesn't actually work the way it should, you can use it for what it actually does, though that really isn't very useful, frankly.

I wouldn't say it's useless. That level five I just upgraded to a level 10 went from...
19-22 15
+5 Damage while in Duel
*5 Damage against
Knocked Down Units

To...
21-29 15
Attacks apply 14%
Vulnerability for 2 Turns
+5 Damage for Cleave
Gain 2 AP for the first Turn of each Encounter

Decent upgrade for 1 sapphire.
All my heroes are 9-11 and that's the first level 10 ive seen. Combine that with how cheap the sapphires are at the merchant I can see the forge being OP.
As far as I can tell the only thing useless are emeralds. Who cares about upgrading a green if you can't keep the same stats when you reforge level or reforge rarity

The problem is the randomness. I upgrade a max level blue to relic every mission, but every one I've gotten so far has been worse than what I already have, and I'm already in Act 4. With the limit of one item per mission, it's entirely possible I'll go the entire game without getting a single useful item from the Forge.

[M€M3!N$]

Originally posted by Alan:

Originally posted by M€M3!N$:

I wouldn't say it's useless. That level five I just upgraded to a level 10 went from...
19-22 15
+5 Damage while in Duel
*5 Damage against
Knocked Down Units

To...
21-29 15
Attacks apply 14%
Vulnerability for 2 Turns
+5 Damage for Cleave
Gain 2 AP for the first Turn of each Encounter

Decent upgrade for 1 sapphire.
All my heroes are 9-11 and that's the first level 10 ive seen. Combine that with how cheap the sapphires are at the merchant I can see the forge being OP.
As far as I can tell the only thing useless are emeralds. Who cares about upgrading a green if you can't keep the same stats when you reforge level or reforge rarity

The problem is the randomness. I upgrade a max level blue to relic every mission, but every one I've gotten so far has been worse than what I already have, and I'm already in Act 4. With the limit of one item per mission, it's entirely possible I'll go the entire game without getting a single useful item from the Forge.

Going from a level 10 with good bonuses to a level 15 with bonuses I don't want is a downgrade.

Yeah I totally agree the randomness is a fail. But I usually see stuff in the tower I'd rather have anyway. So take those useless relics from the forge upgrade and sacrifice them for more dust and get what you want from the tower. Might have to wait a few missions sometimes but I always see something useful in the tower.

[Alan]

Originally posted by M€M3!N$:

Originally posted by Alan:

The problem is the randomness. I upgrade a max level blue to relic every mission, but every one I've gotten so far has been worse than what I already have, and I'm already in Act 4. With the limit of one item per mission, it's entirely possible I'll go the entire game without getting a single useful item from the Forge.

Going from a level 10 with good bonuses to a level 15 with bonuses I don't want is a downgrade.

Yeah I totally agree the randomness is a fail. But I usually see stuff in the tower I'd rather have anyway. So take those useless relics from the forge upgrade and sacrifice them for more dust and get what you want from the tower. Might have to wait a few missions sometimes but I always see something useful in the tower.

Yes, that's about all the Forge has been good for so far.

[Kordanor]

The forge has been an utter disappointment...not just that it's almost useless, its exploitable via savescumming to not be useless, you also learn it the hardway as you usually want to upgrade your best items...

[=DeadShot=]

The problem with the forge, especially upgrade level it doesn't keep the buffs that there were on lower level / quality and then add bonuses to the new limit of bonuses at the new quality / level of the item.
And another question, didn't see any level 25 items(armor, weapons, accessories). Are they in the game?

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by =DeadShot=:

The problem with the forge, especially upgrade level it doesn't keep the buffs that there were on lower level / quality and then add bonuses to the new limit of bonuses at the new quality / level of the item.
And another question, didn't see any level 25 items(armor, weapons, accessories). Are they in the game?

No, level 20 is max for items.

I use forge late in every act to generate next tier items, it is really great.

[=DeadShot=]

I wish that this season would after the last season. So I could load end game last season save for this season and not end game save.