Sir Kay low loyalty

[fadeevav]

I noticed that loyalty has dropped sharply. Because of some trait.
I don't understand what's going on?)

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Is this a bug?(

[Captain_Narol]

Your vitality is at 57/58 so not full, f you took him for a mission in that state, you lose 1 loyalty each time because of his trait...

Seems to work as designed if it is the case.

[fadeevav]

Originally posted by Captain_Narol:

Your vitality is at 57/58 so not full, f you took him for a mission in that state, you lose 1 loyalty each time because of his trait...

Seems to work as designed if it is the case.

Yes -1. But why else -13?)
There are no more negative traits...

[Captain_Narol]

I suppose it's cumulative. Maybe you sent him on more than a mission with vitality not full ?

[fadeevav]

Originally posted by Captain_Narol:

I suppose it's cumulative. Maybe you sent him on more than a mission with vitality not full ?

It is very bad if it cumulative (
It is not clear from the description of this.
Removing this trait also does not solve the problem.

Do I have a chance to fix it?
Quickly?)

[Quickpawmaud]

Originally posted by fadeevav:

Originally posted by Captain_Narol:

I suppose it's cumulative. Maybe you sent him on more than a mission with vitality not full ?

It is very bad if it cumulative (
It is not clear from the description of this.
Removing this trait also does not solve the problem.

Do I have a chance to fix it?
Quickly?)

Nope. You are ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Restart the game or kick Kay out of your round table it is too late to fix him. He is neutral so he would have mediocre loyalty even if you didn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Kay has one of the worst traits in the game it is why he is bottom tier. I think he is the worst champion but he has one of the best facility traits so you could keep him in the training grounds to level him up just for the trait to increase camp healing.

[fadeevav]

Originally posted by Quickpawmaud:

Originally posted by fadeevav:

It is very bad if it cumulative (
It is not clear from the description of this.
Removing this trait also does not solve the problem.

Do I have a chance to fix it?
Quickly?)

Nope. You are ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Restart the game or kick Kay out of your round table it is too late to fix him. He is neutral so he would have mediocre loyalty even if you didn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Kay has one of the worst traits in the game it is why he is bottom tier. I think he is the worst champion but he has one of the best facility traits so you could keep him in the training grounds to level him up just for the trait to increase camp healing.

Thank you. I was sorry to break up with him. We've been through a lot together))))

[Quickpawmaud]

Originally posted by fadeevav:

Originally posted by Quickpawmaud:

Nope. You are ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Restart the game or kick Kay out of your round table it is too late to fix him. He is neutral so he would have mediocre loyalty even if you didn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. Kay has one of the worst traits in the game it is why he is bottom tier. I think he is the worst champion but he has one of the best facility traits so you could keep him in the training grounds to level him up just for the trait to increase camp healing.

Thank you. I was sorry to break up with him. We've been through a lot together))))

No problem. Make sure to carefully read hero traits. Kay is very useful on harder difficulties for his facility trait but otherwise he is neutral and missing key champion skills. You get very limited potions to remove negative traits and they are better used on more valuable characters like Guinevere. He is pretty neat with the Enhanced Edition mod that adds a passive in tier 3 that makes all of his basic attacks aoe but otherwise all he has is kick and he doesnt get defensive stance one of the best skills in the game.

[Telerion]

Most likely to late to the party, but there is a tome that can get rid of this -13. Forgot the name.
But anyway, Sir Kay is one of the worst Champion in the game, he has its uses no doubt, but basicly every other Champoin is better.

Edit:
Tome of forgivness is tha name, resets all negative Loyalty modifiers.

[Uryens]

Originally posted by Telerion:

Edit:
Tome of forgivness is tha name, resets all negative Loyalty modifiers.

That book only removes loyalty modifiers gained from events, not traits.

And the book that removes a bad trait will not reverse the changes caused by that trait previously.

[la_nague]

you can just edit your savegame to remove the loyalty penalties from this oversight instead of abandoning him or even the playthrough.

[la_nague]

Originally posted by Telerion:

Most likely to late to the party, but there is a tome that can get rid of this -13. Forgot the name.
But anyway, Sir Kay is one of the worst Champion in the game, he has its uses no doubt, but basicly every other Champoin is better.

Edit:
Tome of forgivness is tha name, resets all negative Loyalty modifiers.

Kay is pretty good, especially at the beginning because he gets all the skills so cheap.

[Telerion]

Originally posted by la_nague:

Originally posted by Telerion:

Most likely to late to the party, but there is a tome that can get rid of this -13. Forgot the name.
But anyway, Sir Kay is one of the worst Champion in the game, he has its uses no doubt, but basicly every other Champoin is better.

Edit:
Tome of forgivness is tha name, resets all negative Loyalty modifiers.

Kay is pretty good, especially at the beginning because he gets all the skills so cheap.

I am not a big fan of him. Like i said, he has its uses, and i agree, he is usefull in the early game, but you get way better champoins pretty fast.
And like i said, if i had to choose between Kay and any other Champion, i take any other ;)

[fadeevav]

Originally posted by la_nague:

you can just edit your savegame to remove the loyalty penalties from this oversight instead of abandoning him or even the playthrough.

Yes I wanted to do that) But the developers have made protection.
It's like checking a checksum)

[Quickpawmaud]

Originally posted by la_nague:

Originally posted by Telerion:

Most likely to late to the party, but there is a tome that can get rid of this -13. Forgot the name.
But anyway, Sir Kay is one of the worst Champion in the game, he has its uses no doubt, but basicly every other Champoin is better.

Edit:
Tome of forgivness is tha name, resets all negative Loyalty modifiers.

Kay is pretty good, especially at the beginning because he gets all the skills so cheap.

Yeah but he doesn't get Defensive Stance which is way more important early on.

[Telerion]

Originally posted by Quickpawmaud:

Originally posted by la_nague:

Kay is pretty good, especially at the beginning because he gets all the skills so cheap.

Yeah but he doesn't get Defensive Stance which is way more important early on.

Its not only hte defensive stance that he misses, his big trick is the death strike he has. The problem with it is that it is useless against armored targets, and as the champions are the best armorbreakers it is wierd that he has an ability that only is good if the target has no armor. The overhead strike is only a little bit weaker and breaks armor witch makes is way better in all situations.
Dont get me wrong, if someone likes Kay, more power to you, but from a gamplay perspective Kay is the weakest one of them all.