Mordred's class

[Kieran]

Why in the world would you create a game with different interesting classes, have the player take the role of a specific character and then not allow them to choose the class of said character? The game even presents you with the perfect excuse for a class change, as the previous one didn't work out for him all that well, as evidenced by his death!

[Lord_Abaddon]

Honestly Mordred is a unique class. yes he is labeled as defender but he has some unique skills in his 1st and 2nd tree's I imagine he will get more unique ones once you hit his 3rd tier.

The reason behind making him a tanky defender is because of Perma-death. I can almost guarantee you they tried different class options and others had too high of a chance of dying. I've had some maps in act 2 where my champions get almost obliterated very quickly and I end up hiding them behind everyone else or cover for the last fight to keep them alive. doesn't always happen but when a few archers spawn in a way and you're already engaged in melee combat it can very quickly go from being fine to being almost dead.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Lord_Abaddon:

Honestly Mordred is a unique class. yes he is labeled as defender but he has some unique skills in his 1st and 2nd tree's I imagine he will get more unique ones once you hit his 3rd tier.

The reason behind making him a tanky defender is because of Perma-death. I can almost guarantee you they tried different class options and others had too high of a chance of dying. I've had some maps in act 2 where my champions get almost obliterated very quickly and I end up hiding them behind everyone else or cover for the last fight to keep them alive. doesn't always happen but when a few archers spawn in a way and you're already engaged in melee combat it can very quickly go from being fine to being almost dead.

They could have given him unique skills in every class, some are probably not even class specific, so you could just give the same skill to another class.

Well I hope that the situation you talk about in Act 2 is when people already have several heroes of different classes and if they do, that's on the player then for not bringing an extra tank. If you don't have other defenders at this point so that your success depends on the main character being a defender then that's frankly just bad mission design.

[Frostfeather]

I agree, and this is the second "deal-breaker" reason why I refunded the game.

As for Mordred being unique... he's more of a confused mess. Why are the devs punishing us by forcing us to use an absolute disaster of a main character?

[Kordanor]

I think giving the main character a fixed class is perfectly fine.
Makes the game easier to balance as well.

[Lord_Abaddon]

Originally posted by Kieran:

Originally posted by Lord_Abaddon:

Honestly Mordred is a unique class. yes he is labeled as defender but he has some unique skills in his 1st and 2nd tree's I imagine he will get more unique ones once you hit his 3rd tier.

The reason behind making him a tanky defender is because of Perma-death. I can almost guarantee you they tried different class options and others had too high of a chance of dying. I've had some maps in act 2 where my champions get almost obliterated very quickly and I end up hiding them behind everyone else or cover for the last fight to keep them alive. doesn't always happen but when a few archers spawn in a way and you're already engaged in melee combat it can very quickly go from being fine to being almost dead.

They could have given him unique skills in every class, some are probably not even class specific, so you could just give the same skill to another class.

Well I hope that the situation you talk about in Act 2 is when people already have several heroes of different classes and if they do, that's on the player then for not bringing an extra tank. If you don't have other defenders at this point so that your success depends on the main character being a defender then that's frankly just bad mission design.

I do have multiples of every class but the sage only 1 of those but I could get another if I really wanted to. the champions are the only class that routinely get damn near obliterated some times. part of it is positioning other parts is the game sometimes spawns waves or has hidden units so when they're revealed it can go very bad very quickly. if mordred wasn't as durable as he is he would constantly be wounded and low on vitality even with his regen after missions.

As far as him being a confused or weak class he is neither being able to knock units down/ ignore armor with spells and heal on attacks are all very powerful skills. yeah he isn't dropping one shots but he is the key that allows other units to get in position for powerful attacks. his versatility is what makes him powerful. the one mission I was forced not to bring him really sucked as I realized very quickly how much I missed him.

[OakenWall]

So basically

Originally posted by night4:

I agree, and this is the second "deal-breaker" reason why I refunded the game.

As for Mordred being unique... he's more of a confused mess. Why are the devs punishing us by forcing us to use an absolute disaster of a main character?

So basically you dont buy a game because some missions have a required character. Its quite common in these x-com like games to have missions with a required character/class, This genre is probably not for you,

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by OakenWall:

So basically

Originally posted by night4:

I agree, and this is the second "deal-breaker" reason why I refunded the game.

As for Mordred being unique... he's more of a confused mess. Why are the devs punishing us by forcing us to use an absolute disaster of a main character?

So basically you dont buy a game because some missions have a required character. Its quite common in these x-com like games to have missions with a required character/class, This genre is probably not for you,

No, this is exactly my genre. If you'd actually read my comment, you'd know that there was at least one more deal-breaker for me besides the class issue. Maybe reading comprehension is just not for you.

And I *did* buy it. It seemed awesome at first. Great concept, amazing voice work, promising intro... then it fell flat on its face for several reasons. So unfortunately, I had to refund it.

[elidaman198]

guys..its the story and gameplay.. or you love it or you dont.. i am loving it and between us i think well done... they can only build from here.. with our support and advice the game can become better

[mi7chell86]

Originally posted by night4:

...there was at least one more deal-breaker for me besides the class issue...
...it fell flat on its face for several reasons...

Such as? Game's fine and deserving of it's price.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by mi7chell86:

Originally posted by night4:

...there was at least one more deal-breaker for me besides the class issue...
...it fell flat on its face for several reasons...

Such as? Game's fine and deserving of it's price.

The fact you think the game is fine has no bearing on my opinion whatsoever. And I didn't mention the price so I'm not sure why you'd bring it up.

I went into detail in my review, I'm not reposting it here.

[OG.UA SAPUTRA]

Originally posted by night4:

I agree, and this is the second "deal-breaker" reason why I refunded the game.

As for Mordred being unique... he's more of a confused mess. Why are the devs punishing us by forcing us to use an absolute disaster of a main character?

he isnt mandatory in most missions

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by OG.UA SAPUTRA:

Originally posted by night4:

I agree, and this is the second "deal-breaker" reason why I refunded the game.

As for Mordred being unique... he's more of a confused mess. Why are the devs punishing us by forcing us to use an absolute disaster of a main character?

he isnt mandatory in most missions

Yeah the dev answered some of my questions here and that was one thing they clarified.

But why would I play a game with a poor main character who *is* required in the most important fights? I want someone who I'm excited to use in every fight.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by night4:

I want someone who I'm excited to use in every fight.

Yeah, that's one of the points. This isn't some survival shelter manager with random survivors who can all be exchanged. You specifically take the role of one character, both in dialog and decision. I know, in terms of gamleplay, that was apparently their idea, you have a pool of heroes and choose who you want, but they still pinned the story on one specific character, so I would prefer wanting to bring that character along, because I like playing him.

[Trolleur_Durden]

I haven't reached the last tier of skills yet, but so far I find Mordred to be pretty amazing overall, his skill options are really great overall and allows him to be able to both tank and dish out very good damage, either in melee or in range.

[mi7chell86]

Originally posted by night4:

Originally posted by mi7chell86:

Such as? Game's fine and deserving of it's price.

I went into detail in my review, I'm not reposting it here.

As I thought, you don't really have justified reasons do you? Just something isn't how you want it and you don't like that. Imagine devs having creative rights of their IP. The horror.