Which missions/scenarios have warfare?

[Imhotep]

I'm on the seventh mission in the campaign and haven't come across warfare yet. I think there are twelve missions in the campaign.

I had a look at the stand-alone scenarios and they said they don't have warfare in them.

Which missions/scenarios have warfare?

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

When you click campaign in the main menu you can choose adventures of Sargon. It is a separate campaign.

[Imhotep]

Originally posted by Apostate:

When you click campaign in the main menu you can choose adventures of Sargon. It is a separate campaign.

So there's no warfare in the basic game, only in the campaign that comes with the Sargon DLC?

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

Originally posted by Imhotep:

Originally posted by Apostate:

When you click campaign in the main menu you can choose adventures of Sargon. It is a separate campaign.

So there's no warfare in the basic game, only in the campaign that comes with the Sargon DLC?

Correct. Warfare is a huge part of the dlc Adventures of Sargon. It is not in the base game. Only as a variant.

[Imhotep]

Originally posted by Apostate:

Originally posted by Imhotep:

So there's no warfare in the basic game, only in the campaign that comes with the Sargon DLC?

Correct. Warfare is a huge part of the dlc Adventures of Sargon. It is not in the base game.

Thanks.

I found this post by the dev in another thread:

Originally posted by NeposGames:

Hi, whole warfare machanics will be part of the free 1.4 Update, including new warfare variant missions for selected base campaign missions and scenarios.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1157220/discussions/0/3766733548888221265/

So maybe there is warfare later in the base campaign? And in some of the stand-alone scenarios? (I only checked three of them).

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

Originally posted by Imhotep:

Originally posted by Apostate:

Correct. Warfare is a huge part of the dlc Adventures of Sargon. It is not in the base game.

Thanks.

I found this post by the dev in another thread:

Originally posted by NeposGames:

Hi, whole warfare machanics will be part of the free 1.4 Update, including new warfare variant missions for selected base campaign missions and scenarios.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1157220/discussions/0/3766733548888221265/

So maybe there is warfare later in the base campaign? And in some of the stand-alone scenarios? (I only checked three of them).

What the post says is that the warfare mechanic can be used in scenarios and standalone variants of campaign missions. So not in the base campaign itself. The base campaign was already finished when the warfare mechanic came to fruition in the dlc.

[Imhotep]

Originally posted by Apostate:

Originally posted by Imhotep:

Thanks.

I found this post by the dev in another thread:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1157220/discussions/0/3766733548888221265/

So maybe there is warfare later in the base campaign? And in some of the stand-alone scenarios? (I only checked three of them).

That the base campaign has warfare based on that post is an assumption. What the post says is that the warfare mechanic can be used in scenarios and standalone variants of campaign missions. So not in the base campaign itself. The base campaign was already finished when the warfare mechanic came to fruition.

What is a "variant" then? Is it not an option when starting a scenario?

The dev wrote in another thread:

Originally posted by NeposGames:

Hi, walls bring you advantage in a battles. You will see what it means in practise when you met them. The 7th mission is the first one with warfare (if you chose warfare variant).

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1157220/discussions/0/3773490849742303559/

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

Originally posted by Imhotep:

Originally posted by Apostate:

That the base campaign has warfare based on that post is an assumption. What the post says is that the warfare mechanic can be used in scenarios and standalone variants of campaign missions. So not in the base campaign itself. The base campaign was already finished when the warfare mechanic came to fruition.

What is a "variant" then? Is it not an option when starting a scenario?

The dev wrote in another thread:

Originally posted by NeposGames:

Hi, walls bring you advantage in a battles. You will see what it means in practise when you met them. The 7th mission is the first one with warfare (if you chose warfare variant).

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1157220/discussions/0/3773490849742303559/

As a variant later added yes.

[NeposGames]

Hi, there are warfare variants for the 7th, 9th, 11th and 13th mission in the base campaign. And for all scenarios. In the mission screen select warfare variant by using dove vs sword button.

[Imhotep]

Originally posted by NeposGames:

Hi, there are warfare variants for the 7th, 9th, 11th and 13th mission in the base campaign. And for all scenarios. In the mission screen select warfare variant by using dove vs sword button.

Thanks.

I'm doing the 7th mission now and was wondering why there wasn't warfare. I restarted the mission - just to see, not to play, as I'm too far into the mission to replay it - and I see there's a dove and swords game option. I didn't know there was a warfare on/off option. It could be made more obvious and, of course, it's not indicated in a game manual...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2947838506

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

We still read manuals? But seriously though, the two options are very big. It looks obvious enough.

[Zieria]

Originally posted by Apostate:

We still read manuals? But seriously though, the two options are very big. It looks obvious enough.

I wasn't expecting the options so I didn't see them. :)
Also I'm a senior. I like manuals.

[Imhotep]

Originally posted by Zieria:

I wasn't expecting the options so I didn't see them. :)
Also I'm a senior. I like manuals.

I suspected I wouldn't be the only one that missed it! There should be some text on the screen to make it clear there's a game option choice being offered there.

Aside from a manual, information can be conveyed through a wiki or a more comprehensive in-game help guide. There is a wiki for the game, but it only has about one page of gameplay-related information. The in-game help guide covers the game's basics, but leaves a lot of stuff unexplained.

While I think this a great game, I do get frustrated at times at the lack of explanation about various aspects of it.

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

Originally posted by Zieria:

Originally posted by Apostate:

We still read manuals? But seriously though, the two options are very big. It looks obvious enough.

I wasn't expecting the options so I didn't see them. :)
Also I'm a senior. I like manuals.

I am 45 years old, i don't like manuals. Back in the day trial and error through playing did go a long way. Manuals were pre-tutorials and updates from devs i think. I follow the updates to this game every time, so i guess i knew of the variants being implemented. Still, the buttons are pretty big. ;)

[Imhotep]

Originally posted by Apostate:

Still, the buttons are pretty big. ;)

It's about noticing and recognising that they are buttons. I started the 7th mission, as well as starting three standalone scenarios to see if they had warfare, and I didn't register the warfare on/off toggle. And I'd been half-expecting a warfare on/off choice due to hearing a warfare "variant" in the 7th mission, but I was presuming the choice would be on the map setup screen, where one chooses the map difficulty and whether it's an empty map or not.

Since two-thirds of the players in this thread did not notice the warfare on/off toggle, I'd say it could be made more obvious with some text.

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

There are 3 people in this thread (one who posted 1 message). You can hardly call that 2 thirds. Most players don't take the time to respond in this thread. Imagine why.