why are low-health builds so much better than anything else?

[TTVChosenRodent]

i can't help but notice that bloodied builds seem to dwarf every other build. whenever i would play with low health players in daily ops i rarely ever see them lose much health, even against barrages of exploding enemies.

Today i initiated PvP (with a squirt gun) against one of these players and got killed before i could even react. This guy didn't hesitate to flex his broken build, take away all my camp buffs, and basically end my whole career in 1.5 seconds when all i was doing was shooting water at him. Needless to say, i wanted a taste of revenge! But every time i would try to approach after selecting the revenge option, he would kill me with VATS in actually less than 2 seconds. When i finally got the opportunity to to headshot him several times in VATS i didn't see him lose any health at all. In the time i was shooting him he didn't even stagger, and he had plenty of time to empty all my health.

It's sad that this game is just a ♥♥♥♥ measuring contest to these types of players, who will jump at the opportunity to take advantage of their build to ♥♥♥♥ on all the other builds.

My armor is all aristocrat secret service armor. I have every single defense perk i can, plus the lifegiver (+45HP) perk. So i'm a full health build. But i guess that's nothing compared to all the buffs you can get with a low-health build, plus the extra amount of defense that bolstering gives you, plus the practically doubled damage. compared to aristocrat or mutant or anything else. I'm assuming he was using bolstering armor, nerd rage, the low health mutation, the whole shebang... So am i doing something wrong??? or is the balancing in this game just a joke? am i better off just throwing away my whole build and start the slow process of rolling legendaries so i can convert to the low health meta build???

[Phantom]

Well - first turn pacifist on

in PvP they are what we call "foodie" builds... in otherwords they just feed kills to players
But that said because vats crits ignore all armour and deal 100% of their damage to you irregardless of your resistances and reductions we have to use stealth boys to counter any would be vats shennangins

But their low health means that executioners weapons basically ohko what they have left, and you could giggle troll them into death via rads too


bloodied + unyielding gets

50% from adrenal reaction
80-95% from bloodied
= 130-145% bonus damage from the get go

then low health synergizes with unyielding, serendipity

so they get base 30 SPECIAL in anything important

this means they have infinite AP

this synergizes with dodgy for 30% flat damage reduction

they stack on richochet, fireproof and blocker for more reductions

commando is a rapid fire thing, which allows for vats criticals to appear basically instantly

then you can get the various bonuses stacking the damage, and since they are so powerful food buffs are particularly effective, 187.5% bonus critical damage from the single ingredient blight soup makes their damage skyrocket


Its the undisputed meta for a reason

[TTVChosenRodent]

Originally posted by Phantom:

Well - first turn pacifist on

in PvP they are what we call "foodie" builds... in otherwords they just feed kills to players
But that said because vats crits ignore all armour and deal 100% of their damage to you irregardless of your resistances and reductions we have to use stealth boys to counter any would be vats shennangins

But their low health means that executioners weapons basically ohko what they have left, and you could giggle troll them into death via rads too


bloodied + unyielding gets

50% from adrenal reaction
80-95% from bloodied
= 130-145% bonus damage from the get go

then low health synergizes with unyielding, serendipity

so they get base 30 SPECIAL in anything important

this means they have infinite AP

this synergizes with dodgy for 30% flat damage reduction

they stack on richochet, fireproof and blocker for more reductions

commando is a rapid fire thing, which allows for vats criticals to appear basically instantly

then you can get the various bonuses stacking the damage, and since they are so powerful food buffs are particularly effective, 187.5% bonus critical damage from the single ingredient blight soup makes their damage skyrocket


Its the undisputed meta for a reason

Good point. I can endlessly annoy people with my squirt gun without worrying about being wiped if i just turn on pacifist mode.

thanks for all the important information. i didnt consider everything you listed. we were both using railway rifles so i assumed i would probably have a chance for revenge at least once. i guess i should just be glad that my build is still viable and just fine for PvE.

[Phantom]

To be clear

Full health PA is king in PvP

Unyielding bloodied is king in PvE

Any other PvE build is about on par with each other with certain weapons being terrible and others amazing

Railways, Fixers, Plasma Casters, Holy Fire, etc are good

Shotguns (generally), pistols, melee, etc are bad

[*DEAD* λl_x]

I like using the bloodied gauss shotgun, vampire chainsaw and other stuff sometimes. I prefer using my 2 shot explosive railway but I like to switch weapons to avoid getting bored from always using the same weapon and perk loadout. I'm bloodied with unyielding and never do any pvp.

[lockwoodx]

skinny builds get gear but meaty builds get women.

[TwinChops]

get a executioners gamma gun and enjoy the bloodied build tears.

[Nyota Mwuaji]

bloodied needs to be nerfed to the same level as Juggernaut, or Juggernaut needs to be buffed to the same level as Bloodied.
and before any of you bloodied people start ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and whining "but theres no risk if you are high health" get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue, you take any damage and BAM, there goes your own damage dealing.

[DtHouse]

Originally posted by TwinChops:

get a executioners gamma gun and enjoy the bloodied build tears.

since i don't do pvp your gasmma gun can't do nothing at me. Enjoy your tears

[DtHouse]

Originally posted by Nyota Mwuaji:

bloodied needs to be nerfed to the same level as Juggernaut, or Juggernaut needs to be buffed to the same level as Bloodied.
and before any of you bloodied people start ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and whining "but theres no risk if you are high health" get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue, you take any damage and BAM, there goes your own damage dealing.

We got nerfed on every patch, what it's less that they could remove from us? The ability to shot?

[Hefutoxin]

Originally posted by DtHouse:

Originally posted by Nyota Mwuaji:

bloodied needs to be nerfed to the same level as Juggernaut, or Juggernaut needs to be buffed to the same level as Bloodied.
and before any of you bloodied people start ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and whining "but theres no risk if you are high health" get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue, you take any damage and BAM, there goes your own damage dealing.

We got nerfed on every patch, what it's less that they could remove from us? The ability to shot?

Unyielding should not stack with itself. +3 to stats max. That alone would help with balance.

There should be no defense boosts for staying low health. Glass cannon needs to be glass cannon.

[Senator Armstrong]

The fact you initiated PvP with a squirt gun makes you the real Chad.