Make the scrap box free

[Miso]

If they made it free instead of p2p a lot more people would play change to stupid price of Fallout 1st to at least 5,99 in most countries and instead of this garbage they put in there also make it that you as a 1st member get bigger space in the default chest, this would bring them more money but instead choose to bring less useful ideas and rather make the player base hate them great game but terrible devs.

Edit, was suppose to say P2P

[Sirius]

You should learn what "p2w" means.
You don't "win" anything by paying up, so stop that nonsense please.
It's "pay for convenience", which is a very different concept.

Originally posted by Miso:

great game but terrible devs.

Agreed on this part. I would go with "Ok game", but opinions.

[Vic Evicerator]

Stop thinking you have to pick everything up.

[PotatoBasket]

Originally posted by Sirius:

Originally posted by Miso:

great game but terrible devs.

Agreed on this part. I would go with "Ok game", but opinions.

I would say wonderful devs maddeningly beholden to a horrible system of corporate prerogatives - but agree to disagree.
Compared to what it could be? "Ok" is generous. Compared to industry competitors? It's amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTdfA5aTpY

[Astyrah]

instead of making the scrap box free, they should increase stash size for non-1st players. 1200 (current limit) seems like it's a lot when you're new and just got into the game but once you're like lvl 50+ and start doing all the stuff it'll fill up really quickly and inventory management becomes part of your endgame

[KitKat]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3255540775

[GermanyMan]

Originally posted by Sirius:

You should learn what "p2w" means.
You don't "win" anything by paying up, so stop that nonsense please.
It's "pay for convenience", which is a very different concept.

Originally posted by Miso:

great game but terrible devs.

Agreed on this part. I would go with "Ok game", but opinions.

"Pay for convenience" is a term made up by sheeps who justify their purchase.
Cutting features that were the core of the franchise (Stash) to sell them with a subscription is really bad design.

Stop talking non-sense. There is no "Pay for convenience". Thats straight P2W. Because the thing you win is Time. Something no one will give you back.

[Calistrasza]

Originally posted by GermanyMan:

Originally posted by Sirius:

You should learn what "p2w" means.
You don't "win" anything by paying up, so stop that nonsense please.
It's "pay for convenience", which is a very different concept.


Agreed on this part. I would go with "Ok game", but opinions.

"Pay for convenience" is a term made up by sheeps who justify their purchase.
Cutting features that were the core of the franchise (Stash) to sell them with a subscription is really bad design.

Stop talking non-sense. There is no "Pay for convenience". Thats straight P2W. Because the thing you win is Time. Something no one will give you back.

I still put the same amount of hours into the game that I would if I didn't have FO1st. And tbh, I have FO1st for the cosmetics. The scrap box is just a bonus because I'm a loot goblin and it feeds my need to pick up everything that isn't nailed down. Could I survive without it? Sure. Anyone can. Scrap box is secondary to me in terms of what I get for paying for FO1st.

Am I "winning"? I dunno. I don't feel like I've won anything. All I'm doing is getting what I paid for.

[PotatoBasket]

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Given the current scorboard change to seasonal tickets with most rewards locked by Subscription... I can no longer say "follow your own advice" which was my knee-jerk reaction. The subscription for a very long time was indeed "Pay for convenience and bonuses".

For the time being seasonal 1st implementation means that to gain the basic rewards and functions of the game you now have to subscribe.

It is "Pay to Play" - and no, not "Purchase to Play" with a now necessary subscription. The design of the previous scoreboards made it clear in illustration that rewards just for playing for numerous, and 1st benefits extra . Now half are locked.

1st is quite terrible.

[GermanyMan]

Originally posted by Calistrasza:

Originally posted by GermanyMan:

"Pay for convenience" is a term made up by sheeps who justify their purchase.
Cutting features that were the core of the franchise (Stash) to sell them with a subscription is really bad design.

Stop talking non-sense. There is no "Pay for convenience". Thats straight P2W. Because the thing you win is Time. Something no one will give you back.

I still put the same amount of hours into the game that I would if I didn't have FO1st. And tbh, I have FO1st for the cosmetics. The scrap box is just a bonus because I'm a loot goblin and it feeds my need to pick up everything that isn't nailed down. Could I survive without it? Sure. Anyone can. Scrap box is secondary to me in terms of what I get for paying for FO1st.

Am I "winning"? I dunno. I don't feel like I've won anything. All I'm doing is getting what I paid for.

Ah, thats my guys, is a type of sheep i was talking about.
Delusional, defensive and lack of understanding other sides.

[BizarreMan]

They will never move the scrap box to free, or even a one time payment because doing so would result in a massive drop in subscription recurring revenue.

[PotatoBasket]

Originally posted by GermanyMan:

Ah, thats my guys, is a type of sheep i was talking about.

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Yes, a lack of understanding for how this is awful for non-subscribers since the change in score-season-implementation is going to be present.

Originally posted by BizarreMan:

They will never move the scrap box to free, or even a one time payment because doing so would result in a massive drop in subscription recurring revenue.

Which is legit. If you love the game enough to have that much junk you might want to look at the benefits of the sub for it's actual benefits; scrap box extra bonus.

What I'm having issues with is that the subscription is being shoved pretty hard with the wave of f2p codes from TV show watchers - a blatant money grab without improving the base game to keep those players, a money funnel to grab as much as possible while leaving just about every former client with a bad taste in their mouth if not avid disdain for Bethesda.

[Mooman]

See... this is where Bethesda is a little shortsighted. They could absolutely give everyone a scrapbox without issue. The lies they told before adding it about server stability have been proven false.

While I don't care either way, if they were to make it part of the base game they would see an increase in players buying scrapkits and/or weight boosters.

They could move one scummy practise to another... Make more overall with many smaller transactions than fewer large ones (though bank fees may be a factor).

You hear that "monetization manager"? Free advice. /s

[Splat ♥]

Originally posted by Mooman:

See... this is where Bethesda is a little shortsighted. They could absolutely give everyone a scrapbox without issue. The lies they told before adding it about server stability have been proven false.

While I don't care either way, if they were to make it part of the base game they would see an increase in players buying scrapkits and/or weight boosters.

They could move one scummy practise to another... Make more overall with many smaller transactions than fewer large ones (though bank fees may be a factor).

You hear that "monetization manager"? Free advice. /s

while they're at it make a box that can hold infinite of something with no changing factors

like only armour and weapons should take up stash weight as they cant keep track of what upgrades and rolls people have on mass butt everything else will always have the same ID

[Calistrasza]

Originally posted by GermanyMan:

Originally posted by Calistrasza:

I still put the same amount of hours into the game that I would if I didn't have FO1st. And tbh, I have FO1st for the cosmetics. The scrap box is just a bonus because I'm a loot goblin and it feeds my need to pick up everything that isn't nailed down. Could I survive without it? Sure. Anyone can. Scrap box is secondary to me in terms of what I get for paying for FO1st.

Am I "winning"? I dunno. I don't feel like I've won anything. All I'm doing is getting what I paid for.

Ah, thats my guys, is a type of sheep i was talking about.
Delusional, defensive and lack of understanding other sides.

Yes, clearly anyone who disagrees with you even a little bit is delusional.

[Kydyrium]

Originally posted by BizarreMan:

They will never move the scrap box to free, or even a one time payment because doing so would result in a massive drop in subscription recurring revenue.

This ^^^ plus Getting it for free will never happen so stop asking and yes I pay for Fallout !st because I can go without going out for a Hamburger and Fries once a month to pay for it.