Beta Testers

[Tony Ford]

The true woke people now days are the so called beta testers out there who think that beta testing means getting to play a new game or new content FIRST is the whole point of beta testing when in fact it is not.

Beta Testers are meant to find bugs, glitches, etc & report them back to the game developers so that changes can be made to fix those said bugs, glitches, etc. Sadly often times we get broken games & DLC though because we have wannabe beta testers instead of the real thing. Sure its ok to want to play the content first, but its not ok to not look for bugs, glitches, errors, etc to help make the game/play experience better for everyone.

Its so sad that people care more about playing a game or content than actually helping it be better! I mean seriously game publishers are about 60% responsible for bad content being published or perhaps 50/50. Bethesda makes good games & I own all the Fallout series on Steam, XBox, Windows Store, and a few other places along with the Elder Scrolls series all but the online BS which I have no love or interest for/in. I also own other games by them.

So when we are dishing out that hate, disappointment, and other regrets about buying their games & content let us not forget those "beta testers" because they played a huge part in the problem/s as well.

Just saying...

It is what it is!

[Aedificatore]

I see numbers but I don't see sources.

How exactly you know that beta testers didn't report the bugs we encounter now, after release ?

Don't get me wrong, I have the feeling that certain peopole don't care about the bug reporting too. But that's just a feeling.

On the other hand, I participated at most private and open beta of Elders Scroll Online. I reported tons of bugs and gave lots of details (I was really hyped about the game). But when the game released (and even weeks/months after), most of my reports were still ignored.

I'm ok with the lack of responsability of some people in their beta tester role.

But seriously. We still have in fallout 76 some bugs that we reported since day 1.

[hawkeye]

OP, unless you are on the inside you are just guessing. And lumping individuals into a group incorrectly.

Bug finding and fixing is the responsibility of the development team. But beta testing is testing the release candidate in real-world conditions, not bug finding. It's more a feedback test. E.g. "I don't have sufficient time to get to an event before it starts". Beta testers can report what they think are bugs to whoever is running the beta test, who is usually not part of the dev team. But there is no guarantee that any advice received from beta testers will even make in back to the dev team.

[Tony Ford]

Originally posted by Aedificatore:

I see numbers but I don't see sources.

How exactly you know that beta testers didn't report the bugs we encounter now, after release ?

Don't get me wrong, I have the feeling that certain peopole don't care about the bug reporting too. But that's just a feeling.

On the other hand, I participated at most private and open beta of Elders Scroll Online. I reported tons of bugs and gave lots of details (I was really hyped about the game). But when the game released (and even weeks/months after), most of my reports were still ignored.

I'm ok with the lack of responsability of some people in their beta tester role.

But seriously. We still have in fallout 76 some bugs that we reported since day 1.

Because if they had reported the bugs they would have been fixed right? I mean duh... Do you guys just post replies because you have nothing better to do or??? I mean common sense people, use it we all have it.

[Tony Ford]

Originally posted by hawkeye:

OP, unless you are on the inside you are just guessing. And lumping individuals into a group incorrectly.

Bug finding and fixing is the responsibility of the development team. But beta testing is testing the release candidate in real-world conditions, not bug finding. It's more a feedback test. E.g. "I don't have sufficient time to get to an event before it starts". Beta testers can report what they think are bugs to whoever is running the beta test, who is usually not part of the dev team. But there is no guarantee that any advice received from beta testers will even make in back to the dev team.

I think you two forgot your brains some place before you posted, its ok I will give you a free pass this time.

[Aedificatore]

Originally posted by AWFordJr:

Originally posted by Aedificatore:

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Because if they had reported the bugs they would have been fixed right? I mean duh... Do you guys just post replies because you have nothing better to do or??? I mean common sense people, use it we all have it.

Did you even read what I wrote ? We have right now in the game bugs that we reported YEARS ago.

[Aedificatore]

Originally posted by AWFordJr:

Originally posted by hawkeye:

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I think you two forgot your brains some place before you posted, its ok I will give you a free pass this time.

Oh ok. I see what kind of people you are. Sorry. Have a nice day.

[Dzaka]

Originally posted by Aedificatore:

Originally posted by AWFordJr:

I think you two forgot your brains some place before you posted, its ok I will give you a free pass this time.

Oh ok. I see what kind of people you are. Sorry. Have a nice day.

it's a troll.. don't feed the troll

[hawkeye]

Originally posted by AWFordJr:

Originally posted by hawkeye:

OP, unless you are on the inside you are just guessing. And lumping individuals into a group incorrectly.

Bug finding and fixing is the responsibility of the development team. But beta testing is testing the release candidate in real-world conditions, not bug finding. It's more a feedback test. E.g. "I don't have sufficient time to get to an event before it starts". Beta testers can report what they think are bugs to whoever is running the beta test, who is usually not part of the dev team. But there is no guarantee that any advice received from beta testers will even make in back to the dev team.

I think you two forgot your brains some place before you posted, its ok I will give you a free pass this time.

The catch is that I'm an ex-IT manager in one of the world's largest telco, broadcastng, paytv, cloud hosting companies. And I have a masters degree in object-oriented software development methodologies. I've also done unpaid beta testing for a startup northern European game developer and also one of the top Fallout 4 modders.

The developer is accountable and responsible for all bugs, no-one else. Beta-testers, being users, aren't that great at spotting bugs.

[Jenquai]

You have already received the correct response, but I will remind you that a % of beta testers have joined beta tests simply to play the game for over 30 years. It is nothing new or woke. Also, beta testers are helping by simply playing the game and never reporting a single bug.

[Tony Ford]

Yeah I read what you both wrote & clearly you are the trolls. So I wont be responding to any of you anymore. I am well aware of the game breaking bugs that are still in game & had you read what I originally wrote I said its a shared blame between the game devs & the testers. Clearly there are a lot of bugs that have never been fixed & quite possibly never will. The blame is shared between the testers, and the devs. Laziness on both sides.

[Tony Ford]

In any case if you really think this game is so broken, you can simply just uninstall it & move on. OH Wait! No you cant do that because then you would have nothing to complain about, thats right my bad.

[Sirius]

Aww, you failed with that first line already.

Didn't read much else, wanted to agree with you on the basic premise, because whatever is going on, either the "testers" don't actually test, but what's more likely is that the basic incompetence of Beth and the swampy development of this game simply means they either don't care or can't do anything about most of the egregious bugs that are still here and newly introduced and plastered over but still reappear in later updates.

Pretty sure they get a LOT of reports.
They just can't fix this ♥♥♥♥.

[Солевой берсерк]

Dude, wy won't u become a beta tester yourself then? And report all bugs to fix for us, while we just play, ok?
On serious note - during beta test most bugs are reported, at least game breaking, it's just devs who hurry with release that ignore them for a moment to fix later (or not sometimes).

[Wade]

Beta testers like those YouTubers just want to generate hype and earn more clicks. You seriously expect that those shills who earn money on Bethesda content videos will say this update or whatever is full of bugs, lacklustre etc? That's why I blocked them all, I only watch Qwazar77 and sometimes Asmongold.

[TwinChops]

Originally posted by Wade Rocketowsky:

sometimes Asmongold.

Yikes.