Stealth Builds

[ivyfoo]

Is it even possible to have a really good stealth build? What would you recommend for such a character?

[DocBravo]

All the Stealth Perks.
Chameleon on the Chest
Shadowed for more invisibility when you can.
The Recon Scout Armor is a set which make Steal OP from what I've read.
The Fixer is the best silenced weapon.

My main is a Stealth Sniper

[Eriskumma]

Agility affects sneak, so have as many AGI points as you can, maxed Sneak and Escape Artist perks and either Chinese Stealth suit, Chameleon armor with shadowed mods or full Unyielding armor set. Chinese stealth suit and Unyielding set give the best sneak, enemies can bump into you and still won't notice you.

Originally posted by FoxyRaven-TV:

Stealth is bugged in alot public events and against world bosses, you will get detected "Danger" so dont bother right now.

Weird, haven't had any issues, have 7 stealthy toons. Some events disable sneak (like Jamboree, Neurological Warfare, Mothman Equinox etc) because Beth is too incompetent to figure out how to add challenge without disabling builds. :P

[ivyfoo]

I'm using the fixer, and civil service armor with mods (mostly for the jet pack) but the jet pack disappeared yesterday so I guess it doesn't matter any more. I have all the stealth perks. Out in the world it's great, but events, expeditions, daily ops I feel like a weakling and it's frustrating.

[Tesityr]

(whispers ) chy-neez stelf armor... and silenced weapons of course (no fire weapons)

seriously. Chinese Stealth Armour. I stroll past mobs to get what i want in a place, then clock some in the head for whatever multiplier damage and normal mobs all fall over it's great. I even just walk up to them and point right their heads if they are in my way lol

(all stealth attack perks, Calmex, etc. with an Instigating Weapon (double damage first hit) and with the Chinese Armour you are always stealthed, even when moving. it all feels so great together)

Note that large mobs will require 'kiting' them around, stick-and-move tactics, shooting and not staying in one spot, or they will detect you (Edit: 'figure out where you are' - the game does pretty well with this actually now). Same with grouped mobs, pick them off one by one and don't stay in any spot after one shot at a time. Behemoth isn't too bad but Mirelurk Queen is still scary she can move so fast sometimes haha

In events, hide and pick off mobs, protect the team (like any sniper) keeping mobs off of those playing instruments or gathering or whatever the event needs, don't run into packs (of course), you can contribute in most events still but you'll never be 'the star of the show' standing in the middle with power armour and a melee weapon tanking some boss lol - and that's okay.

Oh - get Escape Artist Perk Card - if you are Spotted/Danger/Detected (in events or in the world) then stand up and then Crouch again, it 'resets' their detection down a notch and you can slink away and heal/shoot/etc (it works far less well in Events but does work)
lots of good info here about stats too
GL out there soldier

[Phantom]

all the perk cards + chinese stealth suit

is INFERIOR to unyielding for stealth

[Traveler]

Originally posted by ivyfoo:

Is it even possible to have a really good stealth build? What would you recommend for such a character?

Lol, have you played any game built on this game engine? Stealth is absurdly op, just put muffle and shadow on your armor. Add weapons like The Fixer and you're ace.

[Celtacross]

Brotherhood recon armor is better than shadowed or muffled armor. Chinese stealth suit by far the best for it's permanent stealth boy when crouching, but not moddable. For weapon, pick The Fixer, they're the best of all. Lastly, all stealth perks along with as high agility as you can.

Are they powerful? It's relatively. On solo gameplay, unmatched. Events? Can do pretty well. Daily ops? Forget it since stealth on daily ops is nullified most of the time. Expedition? Pretty good.
Overall? It's up to you.

[Mooman]

Movement is a main factor of stealth. There are 3 movement speeds, walk, jog (default) and sprint with decreased stealth as you move faster.

The escape artist perk removes this for jogging. To walk you can either hit a toggle, that I don't remember the key... or hold C.

[Tesityr]

Originally posted by Phantom:

all the perk cards + chinese stealth suit

is INFERIOR to unyielding for stealth

hahhahahaa
NO.

Unyielding only has ~30 Agility by itself for Sneaking
CSA has +25 Sneak AND +25 Reduced Detection (= 50 right there)
CSA also has 1000 Radiation (HAZMAT anyone?) plus the HAZMAT 98% Radiation Reduction
CSA also has the 90% FALL DAMAGE reduction...

Edit: I forgot to add that
CSA is the ONLY ARMOUR IN THE GAME that allows you to use the Pip-Boy light and it not affect your Stealth or Detection (it is 'camouflaged' like the suit itself)... which is awesome

Unyielding is older armor capability, outclassed for Stealth (Edit: if you have 15 AGIL base, you have to walk through enemies to get them to go into CAUTION mode with Chinese Stealth Armour lol) - but i get that people worked so hard for the pieces in the past they are 'sticking with it'. It's great armour and gives some additional Legendary capabilities

[Traveler]

What's really funny is you can sneak in power armor!

[ivyfoo]

Thanks for all the input, it's appreciated. Will try out these suggestions.

[perfectevil]

Originally posted by Tesityr:

Originally posted by Phantom:

all the perk cards + chinese stealth suit

is INFERIOR to unyielding for stealth

hahhahahaa
NO.

Unyielding only has ~30 Agility by itself for Sneaking
CSA has +25 Sneak AND +25 Reduced Detection (= 50 right there)
CSA also has 1000 Radiation (HAZMAT anyone?) plus the HAZMAT 98% Radiation Reduction
CSA also has the 90% FALL DAMAGE reduction...

Edit: I forgot to add that
CSA is the ONLY ARMOUR IN THE GAME that allows you to use the Pip-Boy light and it not affect your Stealth or Detection (it is 'camouflaged' like the suit itself)... which is awesome

Unyielding is older armor capability, outclassed for Stealth (Edit: if you have 15 AGIL base, you have to walk through enemies to get them to go into CAUTION mode with Chinese Stealth Armour lol) - but i get that people worked so hard for the pieces in the past they are 'sticking with it'. It's great armour and gives some additional Legendary capabilities

But you managed to compare armor piece with legendary perk. CSA has only one piece of armor and you can't mod it, on the other hand you can use 5 x Unyielding on Secret Service Armor along with another 5 x 2 = 10 legendary buffs ( two and three stars)

[Tesityr]

Originally posted by perfectevil:

Originally posted by Tesityr:

hahhahahaa
NO.

Unyielding only has ~30 Agility by itself for Sneaking
CSA has +25 Sneak AND +25 Reduced Detection (= 50 right there)
CSA also has 1000 Radiation (HAZMAT anyone?) plus the HAZMAT 98% Radiation Reduction
CSA also has the 90% FALL DAMAGE reduction...

Edit: I forgot to add that
CSA is the ONLY ARMOUR IN THE GAME that allows you to use the Pip-Boy light and it not affect your Stealth or Detection (it is 'camouflaged' like the suit itself)... which is awesome

Unyielding is older armor capability, outclassed for Stealth (Edit: if you have 15 AGIL base, you have to walk through enemies to get them to go into CAUTION mode with Chinese Stealth Armour lol) - but i get that people worked so hard for the pieces in the past they are 'sticking with it'. It's great armour and gives some additional Legendary capabilities

But you managed to compare armor piece with legendary perk. CSA has only one piece of armor and you can't mod it, on the other hand you can use 5 x Unyielding on Secret Service Armor along with another 5 x 2 = 10 legendary buffs ( two and three stars)

I did say that they give "additional Legendary capabilities", and that a set of Scout Armour with Unyielding is a good batch of Stats too - but this discussion was about STEALTH - and nothing beats the Chinese Stealth Armour on ...stealth. it's literally in the naeme lol

Don't forget about the Chinese Stealth Armour, it is the only armour in the game that
- allows you to use the Pip-Boy light and not have it affect your Stealth
- makes you invisible on the Main Map (no 'dot' on the map). Chameleon also grants this ability but with Chameleon you have to stand perfectly still and cannot attack....where with the Chinese Stealth Armour you can do all of that, move, attack, anything; all while still be Stealthed and not appearing on the Map

For pure stealth, nothing beats the armour with it in the name...

[Dwarf80]

i tried out the legendary bow, but it had explosive on it. Is ok but i still like the legendary silenced fixer, wearing the chinese rad suit. Still not able to sneak up behind a mirlock queen and steel her cranberries. Think it just has a smaller aggro radius maybe.

[perfectevil]

Originally posted by Tesityr:

Originally posted by perfectevil:

But you managed to compare armor piece with legendary perk. CSA has only one piece of armor and you can't mod it, on the other hand you can use 5 x Unyielding on Secret Service Armor along with another 5 x 2 = 10 legendary buffs ( two and three stars)

I did say that they give "additional Legendary capabilities", and that a set of Scout Armour with Unyielding is a good batch of Stats too - but this discussion was about STEALTH - and nothing beats the Chinese Stealth Armour on ...stealth. it's literally in the naeme lol

Don't forget about the Chinese Stealth Armour, it is the only armour in the game that
- allows you to use the Pip-Boy light and not have it affect your Stealth
- makes you invisible on the Main Map (no 'dot' on the map). Chameleon also grants this ability but with Chameleon you have to stand perfectly still and cannot attack....where with the Chinese Stealth Armour you can do all of that, move, attack, anything; all while still be Stealthed and not appearing on the Map

For pure stealth, nothing beats the armour with it in the name...

Amazing armour set, no doubt about it, but there are two things that are annoying about it - you cannot use any kind of cloth (!!!) and in "first person" mode you can't see your weapon aka you cannot aim properly, only in third person mode or using VATS