Fallout 76 or Starfield?

[ec928]

Bought Fallout 4 recently after the fallout series came out like millions of other people. I thought it was really good, very underrated, and enjoyed it quite a bit.

I got to around level 140 in survival mode with my main base in Hangman's Ally and the ability to use Vertibird and Institute fast travel. In short: I'm uber powerful on the hardest difficulty, nothing can kill me unless I try, and a bit bored.

For someone who liked Fallout 4, what would be a good follow-up game? Fallout 76 or Starfield or something else?

[KitKat]

Well, if you aim at similarly offline/single-player experience as F4 - then yes, go for Starfield.

Starfield might be a "yet another Bethesda game" (with all the Bethesda-game-issues), but it's for sure it's own separate thing... In act, it's own separate "can of worms", that is... But at least Starfield is a single player offline experience too, same as F4.

But if you'd like "more Fallout" - the world, the mechanics, the story, the overall vibe - then for sure for F76 instead

Essentially, F76 is... "F4, but with other players running around as well". It's not really all that coop(except public events that kinda make you cooperate), nor really MMO either(up to 24 players per server). It's just... A sandbox. And in more meanings than one.

Sure, it's a sandbox "genre", with crafting, building, survival elements, etc... But it's also just as much of a "sandbox" as it is for young kids of pre-kindergarten age. You see, kids of age 1-3yo or so still don't understand the basic concept of playing together, cooperating, doing something with others. As such, when parents place them into one sandbox, they don't "play together", they don't "cooperate"... They "play nearby" or "play next to each other". Each playing their own separate thing, just with other kids also being in the same sandbox, also playing their own thing. NOT together. Just simply too young to comprehend the concept of playing together.

Same can be said about Fallout 76. Whenever you play - you just play on the same public server as other up to 23 players, but every single one of you... You play your own game. Your own quest progression, your own goals for today, your own desires of what to do now or later, your own gameplay-loop disturbing "problems" you encounter (like having to stop your questing to go back to your base for droping off loot or repairs, for example) and so on. All of this is separate for each player.

Quest progression is not synched, so when you've completed one thing - your friend might have not touched that questline yet at all. You'd want to go farm some resources, while your friend would need to go level up instead. You'd want to keep on going, while your friend might have their gear broken and have to take a pause to go and repair it. And so on. So you'll have to constantly stop and wait for each other or try to manually keep "in sync" with each other... which is way more effort than it should be. And in the end you just shrug it off and play by yourself, separately... "next to each other", next to your friend and other players, mostly only meeting up for public events in the end. But otherwise, still doing your own thing.

It's online, but not really coop. Multiplayer, but not massively... It's a weird thing. A mutant of a game, befitting the "Fallout" series, tbh.

[vincelang]

I would chime in about my deep, deep disappointment with STARFIELD - from a gamer who's been a "fan" of Beth since I first booted up DAGGERFALL, but NakeyJakey made a video on the Tube that puts if far more eloquently than I ever could.

In any case, you've already decided. You're only here to figure out WHY you decided.

[ec928]

Thanks. Not interested in a multiplayer game but the way you described Fallout 76 (i.e. like Fallout 4 but with other players running around) made it sound like it could work.

In the last five minutes, I bought both Cyberpunk 2077 (seemed a "bit" like Starfield but with much better reviews) and Fallout 76.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by ec928:

Thanks. Not interested in a multiplayer game but the way you described Fallout 76 (i.e. like Fallout 4 but with other players running around) made it sound like it could work.

You can play Fallout 76 all on your own. In fact, that's how you play 99% of the time except those public events. The rest of of the time? It's exactly that - "more Fallout 4, just with other players running around, also doing their own thing, same as you". And there is fun to be had here, not gonna lie. Not without flaws, far from being perfect, but... You'll for sure have your hours of fun in Fallout 76 too , if you enjoyed Fallout 4.

Originally posted by ec928:

In the last five minutes, I bought both Cyberpunk 2077 (seemed a "bit" like Starfield but with much better reviews) and Fallout 76.

CP 2077 is a fully single player story-driven experience, Quite good too. Not without flaws as well (quite a few, actually), but it's solid.

[zombygunner]

At least SF isnt as buggy as this jank game. Vault 76 is the %100 worst game i own it runs horrific events dont tell you nothing dailies are not dailies but are ops dailies??? A lot of dumb ass design here for sure the devs in real life have issues apparently. But its also one of my favorites. SF is a sham game im glad mine was bought for me. See the difference? Vault 76 is thats bad %100 and the devs will never do anything to fix anything imo but its still better than SF.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by zombygunner:

At least SF isnt as buggy as this jank game. Vault 76 is the %100 worst game i own it runs horrific events dont tell you nothing dailies are not dailies but are ops dailies??? A lot of dumb ass design here for sure the devs in real life have issues apparently. But its also one of my favorites. SF is a sham game im glad mine was bought for me. See the difference? Vault 76 is thats bad %100 and the devs will never do anything to fix anything imo but its still better than SF.

Nah... Starfield is just as much of a buggy mess as any Bethesda game. Starting from the fact that it's literally the same engine as F76/F4, so... yeah.

[zombygunner]

But those games are how old? SF is new and there are less bugs than F4 or V76 when they came out. Vault 76 still prolly has more bugs than any game there is but its fun. SF is not fun its just to bland imo.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by zombygunner:

But those games are how old? SF is new and there are less bugs than F4 or V76 when they came out. Vault 76 still prolly has more bugs than any game there is but its fun. SF is not fun its just to bland imo.

Starfield has just as many bugs as any other Bethesda game. Fallout 4 and 76 included. Let alone other previous games (Skyrim and all of its re-releases/versions/editions, Oblivion, Morrowind).

Todd always said about F76 - "It just works". He never said it works flawlessly or without issues. It just works and that's already enough for them, I guess. Same as every other Bethesda game. It's their motto through the years :P

[Wack-A-Mole MLRS]

I'll have another of those thank you.

[zombygunner]

A what? A half baked game?

[zombygunner]

I...will too.

[ec928]

I play games for fun, so a few bugs here and there are fine. Fallout 4 has plenty of bugs but it was fun. But the "SF isn't fun" vibe seems consistent so that's a bit disappointing.

As for the steam summer sale, I've bought FO76 and CyberPunk in the last 30 to 40 minutes after reading through the forums. Going to skip Starfield for now but may reconsider in a couple of years if things change.

[Zinx]

After Fallout 76 I can't recommend any game of Bethesda, the reason for me is simple the can't evolve out of the box.

Out of the Box:

When you start playing a game and you need to enter a house, you get a loading screen.
When you leave the house you get a loading screen.
When you go into your bunker you get a loading screen.

That is the basic of Starfield.

I thought either buying SF but with the fiasko of F76 and the T-Poses in the beginning, nope not again.

[MarioDragon]

Fallout 76, somehow, won't bore you to death after 20 or so hours like Starfield will, and those 20 hours in Starfield will just be spent hoping it gets better (and it won't)

[Xenomorph]

76 is a buggy mess but its 1000% more fun. not like SF its brain rot never played SF and never will. saw some video on it and wow its so bad it painful not like 76 its so bad its good