I'm Baffled

[MrLupus]

First off, having played every title since the nineties, I feel this game delivers decently on the Fallout-vibe. But it ends there, as a game, it's a horrible, dated, glitched and bugged mess filled with decent concepts that are either poorly / lazilly implemented or made abundant by other mechanics (made abundant by the abundance of everything tbh what's the point of a survival game built around scavenging, crafting and trading when you constantly have too much of everything).

But, I can forgive that, like I said the vibe is there as a sandbox it works decently enough, even if it fails completely to deliver in terms of gameplay and mechanics, and the clunky / dated controls are somewhat compatible with the theme for some reason.

What I cannot forgive however is the concept of Fallout 1st.

Even the ability to properly organize your abundance, is locked behind a paywall, and that paywall is pretty much the same cost as a streaming service not delivering even a tenth of its entertainment value.

So to my question, who's worse than Bethesda and why do you think so? Also, why all the positive reviews to a game so filled with bugs, glitches and poorly executed concepts?

And if there are any of you out there, Why would you subscribe to, reward, this nonsense?

[Big Dave]

Originally posted by Blitz4:

I keep looking at the game and blown away this is from 2018. there were far better looking games back then. today on max settings, the game already looks old. and this is coming from a guy who plays older games. the AA is bad. imma have to fix it myself.

any issues using specialk with fallout76?

What's the graphics got to do with good games?

Why are you still here whining

[Nothing.]

Originally posted by Blitz4:

I keep looking at the game and blown away this is from 2018. there were far better looking games back then. today on max settings, the game already looks old. and this is coming from a guy who plays older games. the AA is bad. imma have to fix it myself.

any issues using specialk with fallout76?

Most of the visuals are recycled from Fallout 4, which is a late 2015 game. Fallout 4's art style is somewhat stylized and not entirely realistic. It doesn't bother me personally, the art style I mean.

But I must say, I think Fallout 4 actually looks better than 76, especially in the lighting department. They did something very unusual with 76's lighting that makes it look bad in both internal and external conditions.

[Mooman]

Originally posted by Nothing.:

Most of the visuals are recycled from Fallout 4, which is a late 2015 game. Fallout 4's art style is somewhat stylized and not entirely realistic. It doesn't bother me personally, the art style I mean.

But I must say, I think Fallout 4 actually looks better than 76, especially in the lighting department. They did something very unusual with 76's lighting that makes it look bad in both internal and external conditions.

This is part of 76 being a constantly evolving product that has to account for PS4.

Textures and lighting are changing every update, not always for the better. Whether it is intended or accidental is also unclear.

How the game is now IMO is the worst it's been since I've been playing. In other words it has the potential to look better because it has in the past.

Bethesda just need to dial back some of the effects and make some, such as godrays, adhere to the settings in the ini file.

[lockwoodx]

Fallout 1st is like weed. It's affordable and once you enjoy it you won't want to quit.

[MrLupus]

Originally posted by Quagalicious:

I'm not sure how you can be baffled after having spent all these years playing fallout games and not having figured out they all have these flaws, bugs, and issues. The only major difference is, and without a shadow of a doubt in my mind you've played all these games with mods, community patches, etc. Yet, you're somehow baffled.

Fallout has never been a survival game, may have elements but it's not a survival game whatsoever. Everything can be countered very easily with little time.

The abundance isn't needed either unless you have to have everything then the quality of life you get from fallout 1st makes sense. However you can play without the convinces of the membership entirely.

That is true and a fair point, but none of the previous Fallout games featured a subscription though, I tend to be more forgiving then heck even if it was DLC / Expansion based or season passes, but if you actually choose to charge someone a monthly fee equal to that of a streaming service, away goes my leniency.

It sets the bar higher, at least I require they put some effort into adressing issues and servicing their games when that's the case.

I see someone calling this "Bethesda's WoW" in another post. Well I remember when WoW took off, and internet providers couldn't keep up making the game quite unenjoyable for a lot of players, and Blizzard (their many questionable practices aside) they actually funded infrastructure just to accomodate their players.

Bethesda six years in, won't even let me move camp properly.

Originally posted by DT_RicoRaynn:

Think this is pretty much the conclusion we all come to, especially since the older games can be a nightmare on modern hardware (even when using something like vortex to make it easier).

76 at this stage is basically 'something to do'. Like you said, it has the right vibes and will give you your Fallout fix, but it is a horrendous game, in almost every facet. We just don't have anything better at this point to replace it when it comes to the IP.

Yeah I agree, and mechanics aside it actually does give me that fix which I honestly haven't experienced since New Vegas so hats off to the devs in that department.

Originally posted by Heathy:

Yeah, all the worry leading up to this game, it ended up being too generous. I, too, would have preferred the game be more difficult and actually have you need to rely on others, but instead we got a very light touch and everyone being perfectly self-sufficient. There is no competition.

The bugginess of Bethesda games doesn't bother me that much its part of the charm for the most part, the lack of sink and the lack of reliance on others does become apparent relatively quickly. The game is for the most part on easy mode. I think they were just playing it extremely safe. I would have liked to have seen what the economy would have been like if things were legitimately difficult to farm. It might have had a bit more longevity. I remember wanting them to put a cool down on fast travel, force people to manually travel around the map, but that never happened either.

the game might be less buggier than it was on launch but the player base has farmed so much stuff the economy is basically balls deep into hyperinflation for most things that aren't nailed down. For longevities’ sake they should have been more stingy with rewards, they shouldn't have made fast travel spammable either. there is just no way to limit the pace in the game. you can be at any resource instantly. Them being spread around a large map makes no difference. The travel time is effectively zero.

it's just balanced wayy to far toward casual, and not at all balanced for the hardcore masochistic type of game play.

Doesn't even need to be hardcore, just normal difficulty would be fine. I don't even think this qualifies as "casual" tbh, I'm pretty sure even toddler me would find it unchallenging and unrewarding.

Originally posted by ATV_1987:

Basically, they kept cutting a rotten pipe and added a new piece with couplings every time it blew. When they should have removed the entire pipe and installed a new, non rotting one.
Okay here is another one. They removed the tile in the shower, only to find the tiles were falling off because the cement board was wet and rotting. But instead of removing the rotten boards and fixing the main issue... they put up new tiles. Better?
Basically what I am saying is, If I installed a toilet... And it did not flush correctly because I used an old flush valve (source code)... from and older game/toilet, that also had the same problem... I would be fired.

I feel all of these touches on at least the technical issues, poetically so. But in all honesty I could live with those problems I haven't really encountered anything gamewrecking yet, my main problem (the other stuff is annoying too) is basically the complete absence of anything even resembling a challenge and hence, a purpose to it all.

Originally posted by JG Wentsworth:

Fallout 1st is like weed. It's affordable and once you enjoy it you won't want to quit.

I dunno what junk you're smoking but if you compare it to Fallout 76, I'm guessing it's probably TOO affordable, just oregano in fact, and that you've been duped ^^

[Sivarg]

i love fallout 76 just not the horrible double paywall if you want an item from the shop. Its just pure scummy.

[En.Ki]

this outdated, bugged game does not deserve a sub
but the vibe is good even with bugs glitches and such

[Squirrely Wrath]

its a sandbox, somewhat fallout themed but even fails to deliver propper on that tho. what bugthesda still nails is the enviromental storytelling hidden away well enough to reward you for wandering around.

the gameplay loop is a pretty laughable and dont even get me started on beeing able to side with everybody; gotta love the mutation stacked enclave members or the bos raiders

i play it for what it is to me, an open sandbox, and its nothing to invest money in for my part

[kattming77]

the game itself is allright, and they continue to add new content, where it fails is economy, there is massive amounts of duped items still plaguing the game, the cap limit is pure trash, there is no real sense of progression and the small amount per map makes the game feel dead, even though its not.the game lacks proper storage for players and the only way to help with that is locked behind a pay wall which the game by MMORPG standards isnt worth that price a month, and then by the time youve gotten somewhere youre so burnt out on farming you end up playing something else.

[kattming77]

not to mention it was a b2p title, and many of us bought it at launch and overpayed for it at launch and then got told if we wanted those extra perks, that we allready deserved for paying too much in the first place, that we would need to pay monthly to get those perks (by perks i mean the storage box, the ammo box,the tent) so hopefully they figured that out and draw us back in, other than that ill just go play everquest, its been around over 20 years and still is better than f76.

[Aleos]

First of all, take my points because I 100% agree with what you said.

I am a major advocate of voting with your wallet, the gaming market is probably one of the most interesting places to do so. Secondly, I'm a fallout nut job.

When 76 was released, I think all fallout freaks immediately recognized how little of an inventory/storage/capacity we had. We all knew what was up, pay service inventory.

(wasnt the original space for storage like 600? LOL)

I went years staring at 1st, hating it, honestly still do.
YET
I'll buy a month of 1st for one reason and one reason only. Kick ass seasonal events baby.

Then I collect my beans and take complete advantage of 1st on my own time and money. When its over my scrapbox is loaded and i just help people.

Fallout with friends.