Bloody Mess vs Better Criticals?

[Salem Graves]

Which nets the most dps for a VATS commando build? I can crit every other shot. I'm thinking of dropping one of these perks to add in Ricochet.

Edit: This is the current build
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3265699597
I'm also thinking of dropping Adamantium Skeleton for Dodgy.

[Aztec501]

Publicado originalmente por FoxyRaven:

Publicado originalmente por Aztec501:

Is it true crits are only through vats? I recently rolled an ultracite gatling laser with *anti armor **crit damage and *** reload speed. Would the crit damage be useless? I am in PA so i don't use v.a.t.s.

Yep you can only crit in vats "Space Bar" is the standart crit activation key when you have the crit bar full you can activate a single crit "again only in vats"

Awe, well that sucks since I don't really have anything into vats. I thought maybe the weak point hits could also give criticals. Well, at least i know now.

[Dracul]

Publicado originalmente por Aztec501:

Publicado originalmente por FoxyRaven:

Yep you can only crit in vats "Space Bar" is the standart crit activation key when you have the crit bar full you can activate a single crit "again only in vats"

Awe, well that sucks since I don't really have anything into vats. I thought maybe the weak point hits could also give criticals. Well, at least i know now.

Yeaaaaah I really hate how fallout 4 and 76 did crits as a whole.

[Aztec501]

Publicado originalmente por Dracul:

Publicado originalmente por Aztec501:

Awe, well that sucks since I don't really have anything into vats. I thought maybe the weak point hits could also give criticals. Well, at least i know now.

Yeaaaaah I really hate how fallout 4 and 76 did crits as a whole.

I didn't know it was like that in fallout 4 too. You would think hits on weakpoints would count as crits.

[Wade]

I would pick Better Mess

[Aztec501]

Publicado originalmente por FoxyRaven:

Publicado originalmente por Aztec501:

I didn't know it was like that in fallout 4 too. You would think hits on weakpoints would count as crits.

Nah they are only weak point damage that deals extra damage but do that with vats crits and see enemies bend over xD

Vats also do extra damage compared to not using vats, so you kinda need vats unless you are a heavy gunner then you can work around the vats.

I am indeed a heavy PA user hahaha my main weapon is the mini gun and gatling gun for my secondary, heres my perk card loadout haha for what it's worth it's great at keeping me alive even when i am surrounded and my damage is very high i can usually take most common enemies down with 1 shot to the head and 2-5 to the body(gatling) with the mini gun it takes more, but i can still rip through the same type of enemies in a second or 2 hahaha. Hmm nvm on the perk loadout haha it doesn't want to work with steam (using nukesdragons)

[SoulsVet]

Bloody Mess is for general use in and out of Vats. Better Criticals works best when you crit every other attack in Vats and your weapon is automatic with +50% crit legendary effect.
One thing to remember is that Bloody Mess is 15% off your unmodified weapon damage, while Vats crits ignore damage resistance. So you'll need a much more Vats specialized build + proper weapon with good legendary effects to optimize Better Criticals, but the damage potential will be much higher.

[Zekrom9000]

Bloody Mess or Better Critical hits?
I use the Juggernauts Explosive Fixer with Commando and Grenadier.
Popping 137 explosive damage is nice, the Overgrown need more DT. (Damage Threshold)
But i use Bloody mess bro, half the time i dont need the crit because i use 20 bullets out of the 30 round mag.

Stick with your rads and mutations, im just fine being a juggernaut anyways.

[Boldog Boci]

Publicado originalmente por AtmaDarkwolf:

lol Bloody mess was always a pain trying to find your loot :P

But 15% dmg across the top can't be beat easily.

Especially when the dismantled body flows through a mesh floor... :D

[Percello]

Publicado originalmente por Unremarkable Rat:

Which nets the most dps for a VATS commando build? I can crit every other shot. I'm thinking of dropping one of these perks to add in Ricochet.

Edit: This is the current build
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3265699597
I'm also thinking of dropping Adamantium Skeleton for Dodgy.

Lets do some math:
Lets say 10 shots total for these tests at 50 damage each.
Every 3rd shot is a critical for both tests.
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Bloody Mess
15% all dmg
50 dmg + 15% Bloody Mess = 57.5 dmg per shot, 7 times = 402.5 dmg
Base Critical (200% total crit dmg) = 115 dmg, 3 times = 345 dmg
Total dmg = 747.5 Damage over 10 shots.
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Better Criticals
+100% to Base Critical
50 dmg per shot, 7 times = 350 dmg
Better Criticals (300% total crit dmg) = 150 dmg, 3 times = 450 dmg
Total dmg = 800 Damage over 10 shots.
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So, basically, if my math is correct, Better Criticals is slightly better in general. Both of these tests do not account for missed shots, both require guaranteed crits when available and both do not account for AP issues. If you miss a single available crit, it will then make Bloody Mess superior.