Bloody Mess vs Better Criticals?

[Salem Graves]

Which nets the most dps for a VATS commando build? I can crit every other shot. I'm thinking of dropping one of these perks to add in Ricochet.

Edit: This is the current build
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3265699597
I'm also thinking of dropping Adamantium Skeleton for Dodgy.

[AtmaDarkwolf]

lol Bloody mess was always a pain trying to find your loot :P

But 15% dmg across the top can't be beat easily.

[Danisco Gaming]

Bloody Mess is for 15% plain damage
Better Criticals is for 100% crit damage
if you do a lot of crit vats go with better crits
but if you just normal vats then go with bloody mess

[Tag]

You have 3 in serendipity also. I'd ask myself - do I die a lot, or do I have to take a lot of stims just to avoid death. Depends on your play style of course and some trial and error, I'd consider dropping this and have both bloody mess and better crits?

Try dropping out serendipity for a bit (or instead put Ricochet in its place) see how you get on. Just don't scrap the card an you can always swap it back.

[Salem Graves]

Originally posted by Tag:

You have 3 in serendipity also. I'd ask myself - do I die a lot, or do I have to take a lot of stims just to avoid death. Depends on your play style of course and some trial and error, I'd consider dropping this and have both bloody mess and better crits?

Try dropping out serendipity for a bit see how you get on. Just don't scrap the card an you can always swap it back.

I'm low health so I think removing that will kill me instantly. I don't do stealth so I'm getting hit a lot. I don't die a lot, but I just like stacking survivability xD
Oh and I have both Bloody and Better crits already, I'm thinking of dropping one to add Ricochet.

[Tag]

Originally posted by Unremarkable Rat:

Originally posted by Tag:

You have 3 in serendipity also. I'd ask myself - do I die a lot, or do I have to take a lot of stims just to avoid death. Depends on your play style of course and some trial and error, I'd consider dropping this and have both bloody mess and better crits?

Try dropping out serendipity for a bit see how you get on. Just don't scrap the card an you can always swap it back.

I'm low health so I think removing that will kill me instantly. I don't do stealth so I'm getting hit a lot. I don't die a lot, but I just like stacking survivability xD
Oh and I have both Bloody and Better crits already, I'm thinking of dropping one to add Ricochet.

Balance the odds.

45% vs 18%

15% vs 100%

You'll find the higher percent will have a higher chance to happen and performs better, which means more/a higher DPS overall.

[Dracul]

richo is nice but if it means losing bloody or better critical its not that nice.

[PotatoBasket]

Ricochet is one of my favorite perks. If you need the defense it's great to pop on, but remember it's useless against melee so Blocker +Ricochet is the way to go for defense, swapping them with other perks when you are not dealing with either melee or ranged enemies.

remember that ricochet does not work against players
If you're doing shotguns go with crits - you're going to be close range most often so use melee mobs to shield you from firearms and utilize Blocker. If you switch up to either a very low or very high rate of fire gun bloody mess is likely the way to go. Like I said I usually do both and switch out as needed.

High crits has never been impressive to me; by the time I get around to using it the mobs are mostly dead, anyway. If your damage out put hasn't overcome the power curve yet it's probably most useful.

[AlexSledge]

Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf:

lol Bloody mess was always a pain trying to find your loot :P

But 15% dmg across the top can't be beat easily.

Add to your Fallout76Custom.ini:
[General]
bDisableAllGore=1 ;(Dead Enemies Will Always Stay In One Piece)

Bloody Mess is by far the better of the two.

[globefish23]

Bloody Mess all the way, because I want to blow the bodies to smithereens.
And it's hilarious to grab loot from some random eyeball 20 meters away.

[Aztec501]

I prefer using bloody mess with tenderizer and your prefered weapons damage perks maxed . Best combo in my opinion. Most enemies go down in 2-5 hits to the torso and 1 shot headshots scorched,ghouls, humans.

[Jeff Kaos]

I only have on criteria when I pick perks:

Always Works > Sometimes Works

[Aztec501]

Originally posted by FoxyRaven:

If you have crit on you weapon as legendary roll do not and i repeat do not choose better criticals, its bugged and have been for ages, you dont get 50% crit damage on top of the 100% crit from better criticals.

Is it true crits are only through vats? I recently rolled an ultracite gatling laser with *anti armor **crit damage and *** reload speed. Would the crit damage be useless? I am in PA so i don't use v.a.t.s.

[lordoftheapes79]

You do NOT want Dodgy in a VATS build. It will eat up all your AP.

[Mooman]

Bloody Mess is 15% of the base weapons damage. Better Criticals is extra additive damage on crits, it is far better especially vs. nuke bosses.

Crit damage is extra damage added to the hit. You can continue to scale crit damage via perks, mutations, legendary effects, food buffs etc.

But... try it and see?

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Unremarkable Rat:

Which nets the most dps for a VATS commando build? I can crit every other shot. I'm thinking of dropping one of these perks to add in Ricochet.

Edit: This is the current build
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3265699597
I'm also thinking of dropping Adamantium Skeleton for Dodgy.

You are looking at

15% additive damage

So you have to take your base 100% + all additive sources (most perk cards ex commando... most drugs and other effects)

So if you have NOTHING to boost damage... it will be a 15% bonus
IF you are bloodied, adrenal, with drugs or other boosts it will be like a 3-5% bonus

Vats IIRC are a multiplier to your damage but its still just an additive...
So if you are using NO critical multipliers then this is 50% bonus
IF you are say using blight soup for 187.5% bonus critical damage already
it would be 287.5% vs 337.5% or closer to like 15%... add other critical bonuses from cards etc and it again shrinks to a 5-10% bonus


The BEST one is weapon fire speed as this is a straight 25% damage multiplier every time

Edit:

Dodgy is the goat on unyielding builds with company tea
A.Skeleton is a garbage perk at the very bottom of QoL helpfulness