Playing as a Ghoul Makes no sense

[Val]

Questions about the Ghoul thing

Will NPC react to it?

Is it from the character creator or can any character be turn into it by rad exposure?

If it is from the character creator then why would Vault 76 have freaking Ghouls?

or we getting a option to start somewhere else as a Ghoul?

If your a Ghoul does that mean no more RAD damage?

What about Faction that hate Ghouls? like the BOS or the Enclave how can player even do quest for them now or are we going to Retcon that.

You cant say there no Ghoul haters in 76 because there is example of people killing Ghouls in sight

Wont Feral ghouls just not attack the player now?

Or is this whole thing just a cosmetic thing ?

[wulfrik656]

factions will react, Its a quest once LVL50, ghouls means no bloodied but are getting their own specific perk cards

[Mooman]

Seeing as how it'll take six months (about the time to make expansions) I kinda think it'll be Vault 63 residents instead of '76ers, that makes lore sense.

But... um... yeah... a LOT of issues with that. If it doesn't at least come with some prejudices (just look under Dwyer Chemicals)... do I dare say woke?

[Sirius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mooman:

Seeing as how it'll take six months (about the time to make expansions) I kinda think it'll be Vault 63 residents instead of '76ers, that makes lore sense.

But... um... yeah... a LOT of issues with that. If it doesn't at least come with some prejudices (just look under Dwyer Chemicals)... do I dare say woke?

They already said things like the Brotherhood are a no go because "Ew, Ghoul", so it stands to reason that there would have to be an equivalent quest line or something.

That, as I said in another thread, you can only access if you are ghoul?

This whole thing seems hype-cash-in-y to me, I can see no logical reason to bring in new perk cards and whole new build systems but only if you go for ghoul.

I love Harold and all, but why would I want to be him?

[Hefutoxin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sirius:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mooman:

Seeing as how it'll take six months (about the time to make expansions) I kinda think it'll be Vault 63 residents instead of '76ers, that makes lore sense.

But... um... yeah... a LOT of issues with that. If it doesn't at least come with some prejudices (just look under Dwyer Chemicals)... do I dare say woke?

They already said things like the Brotherhood are a no go because "Ew, Ghoul", so it stands to reason that there would have to be an equivalent quest line or something.

That, as I said in another thread, you can only access if you are ghoul?

This whole thing seems hype-cash-in-y to me, I can see no logical reason to bring in new perk cards and whole new build systems but only if you go for ghoul.

I love Harold and all, but why would I want to be him?

To get with Penelope Hornwright?

It'll bring me back. I think it'll be fine to poke around at new build options.

[Val]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hefutoxin:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sirius:

They already said things like the Brotherhood are a no go because "Ew, Ghoul", so it stands to reason that there would have to be an equivalent quest line or something.

That, as I said in another thread, you can only access if you are ghoul?

This whole thing seems hype-cash-in-y to me, I can see no logical reason to bring in new perk cards and whole new build systems but only if you go for ghoul.

I love Harold and all, but why would I want to be him?

To get with Penelope Hornwright?

It'll bring me back. I think it'll be fine to poke around at new build options.

talking about her even she say that people were shooting at here on her way there so again not sure how this whole thing will work

[Hefutoxin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Omega:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hefutoxin:

To get with Penelope Hornwright?

It'll bring me back. I think it'll be fine to poke around at new build options.

talking about her even she say that people were shooting at here on her way there so again not sure how this whole thing will work

It'll work with people shooting at you.

May even add a faction or two that are hostile to non-ghoul players.

Maybe I'll finally get Penelope Hornwright as a camp ally.

[MonkeKing13]

It's because of the old slow shutin rot that we can freely change it up at 50 and all that easy street stuff. They don't have many days left so they don't want to farm it up lol.

That is probably the main fear. These old diabetics on top will cry and scream so they can freely change the perk cards around and end up making any future feature to the game extremely diluted.

Just by their existence (and what they are expected to do) alone.

EDIT: And if you think they and their actions don't need to be considered...the shutins are an extereme vocal majority here.

[Percello]

Honestly, I don't think they thought much past the idea of having them. Having ghouls would make the difficulties in the game astoundingly easier, especially rads.

[Sirius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hefutoxin:

To get with Penelope Hornwright?

It'll bring me back. I think it'll be fine to poke around at new build options.

Ah I forgot about Bethy Mangano. Damn. You may have a point.

[Oregano]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FoxyRaven:

No its just bugthesda milking the cow while its still not fully dead.

"Milking the cow" is when you add features that the players want. Makes sense.

[Festivized-Nugget]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Oregano:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FoxyRaven:

No its just bugthesda milking the cow while its still not fully dead.

"Milking the cow" is when you add features that the players want. Makes sense.

Exactly, even early 76 Bethesda wanted to add playable ghouls, molerat and super mutant infusion of player characters. It was killed early on though, still very happy that we can finally play as ghouls, so many mods on 4 to make you a ghoul. Even 76 had its own mod to make you a ghoul, it was still in development, don't know about it now.

[Insane]

I think it's a skin with additional bonus perk built in. If you are FULL HP build, then you can basically completely neglect use of What's Rad? legendary card and it will give you significant advantage over the normal character with What's Rad? perk because you can use some other legendary card instead. But for that you will loose flexibility and will never be able to spec into low HP to farm westtech on start of a season with over 60 intelligence.

So.. it's really strange. Unless they really created completely new unique cards that only ghouls can have. But.. it's not like we need new survivability perks in Endurance.

[Phantom]

Originally

Fo76

You COULD permanently become a super mutant
You COULD permanently become a mole man

Both of these had planned bonuses, drawbacks, and story changes

Seems like they are just going to make it so you

CAN permanently become a Ghoul

Probably with bonuses and drawbacks...

probably going to be something along the lines of oh you are bloodied, enjoy looking like a zombie as a way to mitigate that playstyle

[Dracul]

I like it but depends on the upsides, it also just reminds me how depressing it is to know how cool the mutation system was gonna be :(

[Val]

After reading the official info im kind of ok with it now since you need to be Lv 50 and there downsides like been lock out of the BOS stuff ect