Empath?

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Just wanna know who uses it.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

...check Phantom's message above
right on the money

I disagree.
Phantom's description contradicts turtle's video, Mooman's post and my experience.

As soon as the Empath is on a team he gets a damage Reduction from the Mutation, modified by perks.
1, 2,3 or 4 Empaths on a team don't change this as the effect doesn't stack.

will check vid, but it is from 2020...
don't get me wrong
i hope i'm wrong, it would benefit me heavily

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

....you have to get lucky if someone is also an empath....

again no :)

I can offer you the follwing test-scenario:
we meet on private server, I bring 2 toons (2 accounts), 1 Empath, 1 non-Empath.
1. pvp solo, I shot you and you write down how many health you loose.
2. On team with non-Empath ...
3. On team with Empath ...

(I assume that Empath works for pvp :)

[Mooman]

I deleted my post. It is complex but as long as you have at least 1 class freak you'll come out ahead. It's all about how the condition checks work.

A side note: Speed Demon appears to have a bug: https://nukacrypt.com/database/json/003F3F4C

It adds the MutationTypeEmpath keyword and for all intents and purposes will act similar.

Every character has the PlayerTeamPerks: https://nukacrypt.com/database/json/004E1F1C from the get go. From that you should be getting the basic 25% reduction without any of the negatives as that is handled in the other link from the deleted/quoted post.

Probably something to test.

[insert food here]

Originally posted by Mooman:

A side note: Speed Demon appears to have a bug: https://nukacrypt.com/database/json/003F3F4C

It adds the MutationTypeEmpath keyword and for all intents and purposes will act the similar.

So this bug is still not fixed yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Qi7HB3oE8

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

....you have to get lucky if someone is also an empath....

again no :)

I can offer you the follwing test-scenario:
we meet on private server, I bring 2 toons (2 accounts), 1 Empath, 1 non-Empath.
1. pvp solo, I shot you and you write down how many health you loose.
2. On team with non-Empath ...
3. On team with Empath ...

(I assume that Empath works for pvp :)

np in testing this, sounds good
my buddy should join since we both are in the same boat
and i could do the naked test lol
so nothing interferes

not sure, but.. if after your rad-x poison intake.. can you revitalize mutations by drinking a new vial?
example: i rad-x myself
and i just wanna have empath back.. so i drink it... that should be plausible ...?

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

not sure, but.. if after your rad-x poison intake.. can you revitalize mutations by drinking a new vial?
example: i rad-x myself
and i just wanna have empath back.. so i drink it... that should be plausible ...?

Rad-X Mutation suppression wears off... after10 min, I think (?)

But using "Rad-X diluted " should overwrite this effect and bring back your Mutations immediatly (happened to me that I popped Rad-X by mistake ... :)

Edit: if you "drink" a Serum the negtive Effect of the Mutation will be suppresed for 1 hour, this will have effect on your testing :)

[insert food here]

I use empath even on some bloodied characters so if it has changed i want to know. I have not noticed any major changes though.

In the past it used to count you as a team mate even when solo on a team. Same as herd mentality mutation still does and gives you the +2 to all Specials even when solo on a team.

However if the Speed Demon bug is still in the game that throws a spanner in the works. It was something complicated like you needed one other player in team with speed demon and empath but at least one without both, to get max reduction to damage taken. Oo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Full info and testing from Mr Turtle is in the vid i posted.

[Lerch2000]

only on a PA tank meant for team play

[Razer]

So a minor positive mutation if everyone is using it, or chance it to have large negative or huge positive. Doesn't sound like a mutation for me since I do play solo. Herd mentality is already one of those that bites me for that. Don't need another.

[insert food here]

Originally posted by Razer:

So a minor positive mutation if everyone is using it, or chance it to have large negative or huge positive. Doesn't sound like a mutation for me since I do play solo. Herd mentality is already one of those that bites me for that. Don't need another.

Well in the past it has worked that me alone on a team counted as a team mate so i got the benefit of using it. Sounds like that may have changed but I have not noticed any difference myself.

How does herd mentality bite you? It gives +2 to all specials even when solo on a team. There is no penalty to using it, unless you don't join a team.

[Mooman]

Originally posted by insert food here:

Originally posted by Mooman:

So this bug is still not fixed yet?

Doesn't look like it... kinda why I got annoyed looking into it.

Video is Oct 2021... nukacrypt version is Aug 2022... not fixed...

But there is a problem with nukacrypt. Starting with The Pitt the code changed and with Nuka World there is nothing. The databases are out of date I suspect due to BGS encrypting more (or the nukacrypt folks not bothering).

It is becoming less of a reliable source as the Speed Demon thing could have been fixed The Pitt onwards (had a quick look at some patch notes but not all).

It would need to be tested in game.

[Lerch2000]

Funny thing about of mutations and perk cards, they will work when on a team you don't have to have anyone on the team with you.

[Razer]

Originally posted by insert food here:

Originally posted by Razer:

So a minor positive mutation if everyone is using it, or chance it to have large negative or huge positive. Doesn't sound like a mutation for me since I do play solo. Herd mentality is already one of those that bites me for that. Don't need another.

Well in the past it has worked that me alone on a team counted as a team mate so i got the benefit of using it. Sounds like that may have changed but I have not noticed any difference myself.

How does herd mentality bite you? It gives +2 to all specials even when solo on a team. There is no penalty to using it, unless you don't join a team.

Solo on a team works? Well that's retarded.

[insert food here]

Originally posted by Razer:

Solo on a team works? Well that's retarded.

The mutation description says when team mates are nearby or something like that. It doesn't work like this.

After taking the mutation serum in the pipboy the description says "When grouped". This is how it actually works. It simply checks if you are grouped or not. Extra team mates are not required.

[Razer]

Originally posted by insert food here:

Originally posted by Razer:

Solo on a team works? Well that's retarded.

The mutation description says when team mates are nearby or something like that. It doesn't work like this.

After taking the mutation serum in the pipboy the description says "When grouped". This is how it actually works. It simply checks if you are grouped or not. Extra team mates are not required.

Sounds bugged.