Empath?

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Just wanna know who uses it.

[insert food here]

I do. On several characters.

Highly underrated mutation. I don't think many players use it due to not understanding how it works exactly and how strong it is.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by insert food here:

I do. On several characters.

Highly underrated mutation. I don't think many players use it due to not understanding how it works exactly and how strong it is.

it is one if not the main reason why some complain they got kicked out of a team
Empath is very powerful

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by insert food here:

I do. On several characters.

Highly underrated mutation. I don't think many players use it due to not understanding how it works exactly and how strong it is.

i'm thinking of forcing an ultimatum whenever players ask me for mutations
empath has to be in there, before they get the others

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

it is one if not the main reason why some complain they got kicked out of a team
Empath is very powerful

what?
I use it for over a year and think most players (who team up) will not know about but register that they take less damage.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

it is one if not the main reason why some complain they got kicked out of a team
Empath is very powerful

what?
I use it for over a year and think most players (who tem up) will not know about but register that they take less damage.

plenty of players that don't register
and you can't really blame them
it's bethesda that should create more clarity through its game-design

what if you could show some stats of your build next to your name ?
_have Empath mutation
_bodyguards full
_something something like Tank with melee

the thing is you wouldn't even need chat
we could quickly check who specializes in what
(btw payday2 just does that, in under 30 seconds you understand who is best in what they do)
how can you bond with new people if the info stays hidden

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

...what if you could show some stats of your build next to your name ?....

They have something like this in Borderlands 1 and 2 where the name of the "Mod" you wear is displayed, like "Mercenary ", "Nurse" or "Cat"

Then players got criticized if they didn't have a team-mod on :)

However, in FO 76 it is not important for veteran players, there is just nothing that takes you to the limit (maybe "Rad Rumble" or "Eviction Notice" solo) and new players who benefit from team features the most are overwhelmed by informtion anyway.

[Phantom]

Empath by yourself = large net negative
Empath by yourself on a team = large net negative
Empath from a teammate, and you not having it = huge positive
Empath from a teammate, and you also have it = minor positive

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by Phantom:

Empath by yourself = large net negative
Empath by yourself on a team = large net negative
Empath from a teammate, and you not having it = huge positive
Empath from a teammate, and you also have it = minor positive

nope, the game considers the Empath-character as part of the team, hence he receives the bonus.

This is explained by Turtle in a video from 2020, jump to 9:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqwoKVJQ46A

There might be bugs and changes ever since, but combined with the right perk cards everything works out fine.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

...what if you could show some stats of your build next to your name ?....

They have something like this in Borderlands 1 and 2 where the name of the "Mod" you wear is displayed, like "Mercenary ", "Nurse" or "Cat"

Then players got criticized if they didn't have a team-mod on :)

However, in FO 76 it is not important for veteran players, there is just nothing that takes you to the limit (maybe "Rad Rumble" or "Eviction Notice" solo) and new players who benefit from team features the most are overwhelmed by informtion anyway.

i'm full health, but for bloodieds it matters
if ever i crash the spike in perks etc could get them killed
(it never gets explained by beth, they count on wikia folk, always has been that way)

players getting criticized is a positive
a chance to understand mid-game
but you get that new players getting kicked without knowing the reason (because there's no way except a long voice call to explain ... if they even would bother) is frustrating for both,
they probably assume the high lvls are on some powertrip, which is usually not the case
it helps nobody

personally i'd like to see different colors on names or extra icons like [vendor] [farmer] [nuker], [AFK], etc next to a player's name

if they can plaster lvls next to usernames, which btw hardly determines skill/expertise, then they can add short statuses
the avatar could be used for that also (flashes when in danger)
using the help emote is a meh
if in danger everyone should get notices by such beacon
(way in the beginning i thought the flare gun would help me get noticed by other players, in the hope someone came to the rescue... boy was i wrong lol)

simple ways to provide who's ready or not is important if no chat is available (voice chat is not always an option)

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by Phantom:

Empath by yourself = large net negative
Empath by yourself on a team = large net negative
Empath from a teammate, and you not having it = huge positive
Empath from a teammate, and you also have it = minor positive

what about 4 empaths?

[Sr Humungus]

I never used it, who cares about team? never joined one to make ops or pitt, and usually ppl are garbage, so i like playing alone.

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by Mooman:

This is actually a really complex mutation. To get the best out of it, 6% damage taken, you need to be running Rank 3 Class Freak and NO Strange in Numbers (super version). You can see that here: https://nukacrypt.com/database/json/004E1F1D

But... Strange in Numbers reduces Teammate damage from 25% to 32%.

wait,
on my toon it was like this (numbers displayed in the pip-boy):
Solo on a team; +6% dmg taken.-25% damage
with another characer on a team: +8% dmg taken, -33% damage

equiped perks are Strange in numbers and Class-Freak.
(Herd Mentality Mutation should not effect this)

I count this as a net-decrease in damge taken but willing to make tests :)

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by LinJon-Cur:

I think everyone who knows what they are doing. The negative effects are negated by simply creating a team. You don't even need to have other peoples in it. So why not.

check Phantom's message above
right on the money

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by ☂♡ˢᵐⁱⁿ ❱❱❱:

...check Phantom's message above
right on the money

I disagree.
Phantom's description contradicts turtle's video, Mooman's post and my experience.

As soon as the Empath is on a team he gets a damage Reduction from the Mutation, modified by perks.
1, 2,3 or 4 Empaths on a team don't change this as the effect doesn't stack.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

Originally posted by Sr Humungus:

I never used it, who cares about team? never joined one to make ops or pitt, and usually ppl are garbage, so i like playing alone.

very fair answer
beth failed at its conception of how a coop should work
and underestimated their player-base
so keep on proving them wrong (no sarcasm intended)
me personally i consider the coop as an extra challenge
being a medic/backup in team i love to maximize every team member's efficiency
but most of the time when playing with randoms you have to get lucky if someone is also an empath
still a good exercise/ handicap when nobody else has it