Removing Legacy Weapons

[shedora]

never owned one, just played the game legit and got good weapons on my own, does nothing but bring me joy to watch people cry that their massively broken boss killing guns aren't gonna be there anymore and now they'll *gasp* need to actually play the game? hahahahahaha
EDIT: just remember, if you play FO76 and don't know what is happening or why people are upset about legacy weapon removal, you're fine. if you're upset about it, well get BTFO?

[Badaiyo]

Good Riddance!

[RavenBone]

I didn't even realized that some of them are using 'Legacy Weapons', is that some kind of a cheat?

[shedora]

legacy weapons are overpowered weapons that have been around since early FO76. they were duplicated and passed around like crazy, but never deleted. most of these weapons have the ability to solo a world boss, which is clearly what was not intended.

[Bot1]

Looks to me like it was just weapons cheated in to the game? not legacys.


Source: Weapon Changes

Although we are playing in a post-apocalyptic world, we still want to keep that world fair, fun, and inviting to all. While you have been exploring and rebuilding, we have been working on a new system that works behind the scenes to remove illegal attachment combinations that violate the EULA to ensure that every single player is using and trading the same items and has the same advantages as you.

In today's update, we are implementing a system that will remove illegal mods attached to weapons that cannot be obtained in-game. Most players will not notice any change to their existing weapons, however, players who are in possession of a weapon with a mod that cannot be equipped naturally to the weapon may notice a damage decrease to the weapon, and the mod will no longer exis

[Drussix]

Finally happening, I quit the game long time ago due to players ruining public events with their hacked or Legacy weapons. Time to come back and check out the game again

[shedora]

legacy weapons are cheated weapons. they have mods and attachments that are both no longer available in game and do damage that outclasses every weapon currently available to say, someone who just started last week. or month. or year. maybe 2.

[BizarreMan]

Originally posted by Bot1:

Looks to me like it was just weapons cheated in to the game? not legacys.


Source: Weapon Changes

Although we are playing in a post-apocalyptic world, we still want to keep that world fair, fun, and inviting to all. While you have been exploring and rebuilding, we have been working on a new system that works behind the scenes to remove illegal attachment combinations that violate the EULA to ensure that every single player is using and trading the same items and has the same advantages as you.

In today's update, we are implementing a system that will remove illegal mods attached to weapons that cannot be obtained in-game. Most players will not notice any change to their existing weapons, however, players who are in possession of a weapon with a mod that cannot be equipped naturally to the weapon may notice a damage decrease to the weapon, and the mod will no longer exis

The term "illegal" was unfortunate in my opinion. Because it confuses what were possibly legit drops from in game with those that were hacked in.

But the bottom line per the PTS is "if the game cannot give you a specific item/star combination today. Either through an in game drop, a purveyor roll, or a legendary roll on a crafting bench". That item will no longer have the "bad" star.

[Gearotic]

Originally posted by shedora:

legacy weapons are cheated weapons. they have mods and attachments that are both no longer available in game and do damage that outclasses every weapon currently available to say, someone who just started last week. or month. or year. maybe 2.

Not really. Legacy weapons are weapons that were in the game, but removed from the loot pool. That's why ''legacy'' because they cannot be found anymore.

What you are talking about are hacked weapons, weapons that were never in the game.

One is legit, the other is a cheat. One cannot kill bosses in seconds, the other can.

[shedora]

Originally posted by Gearotic:

Not really. Legacy weapons are weapons that were in the game, but removed from the loot pool. That's why ''legacy'' because they cannot be found anymore.

What you are talking about are hacked weapons, weapons that were never in the game.

One is legit, the other is a cheat. One cannot kill bosses in seconds, the other can.

i actually agree that they aren't "cheated" weapons, but that's the only terminology that will make sense without diving into semantics of "well it isn't cheated it's spawned" and all that. maybe refer to them as "unfair" or whatever, the fact still stands that they're broken and could easily be considered cheating with the massive upsides given to them compared to any weapon currently available

[Chito Eating A Cheeto]

Originally posted by RavenBone:

I didn't even realized that some of them are using 'Legacy Weapons', is that some kind of a cheat?

Not really cheating. But weapons from the real real early days of 76 that had effects that are no longer possible to receive on legendary drops. Hence why they're called legacy weapons. Stuff like gatling plasmas and gatling lasers with the explosive ammo legendary effect. Though a large stock of the existing legacy weapons are items that were duplicated through various bugs and glitches. Some of which would then be traded online for actual money.

[RavenBone]

Originally posted by Gearotic:

Originally posted by shedora:

legacy weapons are cheated weapons. they have mods and attachments that are both no longer available in game and do damage that outclasses every weapon currently available to say, someone who just started last week. or month. or year. maybe 2.

Not really. Legacy weapons are weapons that were in the game, but removed from the loot pool. That's why ''legacy'' because they cannot be found anymore.

What you are talking about are hacked weapons, weapons that were never in the game.

One is legit, the other is a cheat. One cannot kill bosses in seconds, the other can.

Ok, thanks for explaining in more details, for the ones who are relatively new or uninformed about the game.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by shedora:

never owned one, just played the game legit and got good weapons on my own, does nothing but bring me joy to watch people cry that their massively broken boss killing guns aren't gonna be there anymore and now they'll *gasp* need to actually play the game? hahahahahaha
EDIT: just remember, if you play FO76 and don't know what is happening or why people are upset about legacy weapon removal, you're fine. if you're upset about it, well get BTFO?

Single Target Boss / single target / small group DPS

Of course I am talking about god roll weapons here, and not giving the record best min/max times but what any average player using a bunch of buffs could do

Railway Rifles >>>>>>> Legacies - Sub 3 minute Solo Earle kill times is standard... absurdly high fire rate, coupled with very high damage values, and low ap cost = boom... pop explosive on it for a powerful synergy, powerful enough to one shot max level supermutants of all kinds... basically a vats only gun due to kickback

Enclave Plasma Flamer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Legacies - Sub 2 minute Earle kill time is pretty standard... Just a mean up close and personal health depleter

Fixer >>>>> Legacies - Sub 4 minute Solo earle kill times is standard (its been a while in my min/max power build but it was ~500+ damage regular shots on the queen, using the quad. Using the bloodied it was higher and specced for 0.15 second reloads (essentially infinite ammo)... + Fixers EASILY become 1-2 ap cost weapons

Shredder >>> Legacies - Sub 4 minute Solo earle kill times is standard

Chainsaw / Autoaxe >>> Legacies - Not sure of their average kill time, the only one I use is vampires and I only carry it for the daily ops melee enemies, but probably comparable to shredders since their output is close

Plasma Caster >> Legacies - Event mobs, one shot kill, not a great DPS vs bosses, non vats crits reach 1500 damage on this gun

TS Mirv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacies vs groups of enemies - one shot kills huge radius

Nuka TS Grenade Launcher >>>>>>>>>>>> Legacies vs groups of enemies - only 6* weapon in the game

Plasma Grenades >>>>> Legacies vs groups of enemies, HUGE radius, goes through walls

etc

Legacies were not the problem, poor player understanding of the game mechanics was... the legacies you saw delete things were min/max players using them.

Explosive gatling plasmas were annoying but that was it, their damage was low
Explosive flamers were single target mid high tier dps, still low dps output vs bosses

But fine, don't complain to me when the incredibly stupid theft of players items comes back to bite the entire community in the behind... non stop explosions in events here we come. PvP everywhere here we come. Players dropping events to murder you here we come. Players using missile bases to destroy your camp here we come (bethesda told me this isn't an exploit recently... I disagree but shrug). etc

[die-wc-ente]

i never had one of these weapons and it never bothered me when other players used them.

[shedora]

Originally posted by Phantom:

But fine, don't complain to me when the incredibly stupid theft of players items comes back to bite the entire community in the behind... non stop explosions in events here we come. PvP everywhere here we come. Players dropping events to murder you here we come. Players using missile bases to destroy your camp here we come (bethesda told me this isn't an exploit recently... I disagree but shrug). etc

i have played fallout 76 without legacy items and only coming across them when i see a level 3000 player sitting on a rooftop watching the event being done and shooting every now and again. i dont really care about min/max dps when i comes to a boss, that may just be me, this is a nice change for people who just want to play fallout without turbovirgin 9000 rounding a corner and making my fun boss fight a "oh god i hope i get a hit on him before he gets melted so i can get loot"

[shedora]

Originally posted by die-wc-ente:

i never had one of these weapons and it never bothered me when other players used them.

i mean that's gonna be most of the fallout playerbase minus the people who owned and used legacy weapons lol, this is more for the people who care about the situation clearly