Shotguns broken?

[Hijal]

I just recently decided to invest a bunch of levels into a shotgunner build only to find it does basically no damage? It doesn't seem to matter what shotgun is used I had this problem with both the pump shotgun and the combat shotgun. At first I thought maybe hits just weren't registering or maybe it was bugged and a relog or server hop could fix it but nothing seemed to help. I'm DEFINITELY hitting targets with ALL the pellets. I'm practically kissing mutants more or less and they are taking virtually no damage despite they should be taking about 180 damage per shot. It takes like 50 headshots at point blank to kill a weak Morgantown ghoul spawn before it finally dies. Zero problems crippling limbs strangely though?? Don't take much to litter the ground with quadriplegic anklebiters.

I can't seem to find anything anywhere on any forums about this being a existing bug though? Is this a recent break in the game that everyone else is also experiencing or is it just me?

[EolSunder]

well of course the first question to ask. mods?

[slippingsnake]

Shotguns used to be overpowered in the beginning and were nerfed in 2019.

They still shoul do some damage on short range; most ranged wepons have "range penalty" (not expl. Energy Guns), if I remeber correct Miniguns and Shotguns are seriously effected by this: good on short distance but suck on long range.

However, Gauss Shotgun is the strongest, you can buy the plan for the Gun/ Mods for Gold-bullions from Samuel/ Foundation or Minerva (it is in her inventory 7+ 8 wich come end of March and early April).

Maybe serch on youtube "angry Turtle" if he has videos for shotguns.

[BizarreMan]

That legendary defects do you have on the shotguns?

They can make a big difference.

[Hijal]

Reinstalling FO76 seems like the only thing else to do this definatly isn't normal at all and if it's not effecting anyone else it's on my end it seems.

Originally posted by EolSunder:

well of course the first question to ask. mods?

Only mod I have is no camera shake and I don't even know if it even works? I'll try removing it and see if that does anything.

Update: I removed the mod and tested to see if there was any change - still nothing. Each shot maybe takes like 2-4 pixel wide slithers of health from targets point-blank in the face.

Originally posted by BizarreMan:

That legendary defects do you have on the shotguns?

They can make a big difference.

Since I can't seem to do any actual damage I havn't invested into legendarys yet, thankfully... so no. No legendary effects.

[Angela]

Shotguns are basically rubbish, only shotgun worth much is a Gauss Shotgun and that will drive you nuts in the end with how it gets stuck if you don't fully charge before firing it off.

Use Unarmed melee if you want to do up close and personal damage, or a flamer (plasma = Rifleman, regular = Heavy).

[Hijal]

Originally posted by Angela:

Shotguns are basically rubbish, only shotgun worth much is a Gauss Shotgun and that will drive you nuts in the end with how it gets stuck if you don't fully charge before firing it off.

Use Unarmed melee if you want to do up close and personal damage, or a flamer (plasma = Rifleman, regular = Heavy).

I see where your coming from by them being rubbish but I can't possibly imagine them being THIS bad I really do not think this is normal at all. I do more damage with pistols (non-automatic pipe pistols) this is THAT bad. I literally am only taking 2-4 pixel wide slithers from enemy health bars per shot - doesn't matter what I'm fighting either. Shooting at radroaches its like trying to solo Earl @.@ That's how bad the damage is.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Hijal:

Originally posted by Angela:

Shotguns are basically rubbish, only shotgun worth much is a Gauss Shotgun and that will drive you nuts in the end with how it gets stuck if you don't fully charge before firing it off.

Use Unarmed melee if you want to do up close and personal damage, or a flamer (plasma = Rifleman, regular = Heavy).

I see where your coming from by them being rubbish but I can't possibly imagine them being THIS bad I really do not think this is normal at all. I do more damage with pistols this is that bad. I literally am only taking 2-4 pixel wide slithers from enemy health bars per shot - doesn't matter what I'm fighting either. Shooting at radroaches its like trying to solo Earl @.@ That's how bad the damage is.

No they really do suck apart from the Gauss Shotgun. And that sucks in its own way as I said.

Best builds in this game is pretty much anything with fast hits, DPS is king here. Aside from going Unyielding, but with that you don't really need a build

[BizarreMan]

What level are you?

Once you get past 50, you have to have legendary equipment to be competitive.

[Angela]

Originally posted by BizarreMan:

What level are you?

Once you get past 50, you have to have legendary equipment to be competitive.

Level won't fix the shotguns being bottom of pile thing, best point OP at an actually decent weapon.

[Mooman]

Shotguns in free aim/ads are terrible.

They need to be used in VATS at short range. Crits are where they shine but still a long way behind commando crits.

Concentrated fire for headshot bonus, four leaf clover for crit recharge. They are ok for solo play but not much fun at events (unless you like kneecapping everything then it's fun).

[Phantom]

Long and short, shotguns used to be death, magic shotguns even more so

bethesda (wrong b) 'fixed' the damage calculation

A shotgun used to do say 100 damage with each of its pellets

Now a shotgun does 100 damage / each of its pellets

so before 100 x 8 = 800 potential damage
now 100 / 8 per pellet = 100 potential damage if armour isn't an thing and they all hit

one of the reasons that twoshot on multi shot weapons ACTUALLY reduces the weapons damage

[SerialGamer]

Try VATS. Shotgun damage is divided over multiple projectiles. If some of them don't land, you're not doing 100% of the weapon's damage. That's why VATS is generally preferred with shotguns. VATS 95% should do full damage. Use sneak attack to do even more damage.

[Hijal]

Originally posted by BizarreMan:

What level are you?

Once you get past 50, you have to have legendary equipment to be competitive.

Uhhh I can't check right now because I'm currently in the process of reinstalling FO76 but I'm level 240 something.

While they arn't legendary - I have all the appropiate perk cards for a shotgunner build maxed out and equipped. I don't think the gun not being legendary would account for only doing like 2-4 pixel wide slithers of health per shot. Even if shotguns were bad, no gun is THAT bad. I do more damage with a pistol build than that (without using VAT's!)

[Angela]

Originally posted by Hijal:

Ok so I reinstalled it seems like the damage improved so that was at least part of it? I still can shoot stuff in the face and it does basically no damage though it seems totally sporadic and random though as if hit's just were not registering. When I do hit it does what one would expect it too though... but I can see why people say shotguns suck lol. They don't seem like they really suck that bad though when they actually hit - it's just that they miss constantly that makes them suck? Vat's helps make that problem go away but ugh... I can see why nobody uses shotguns anymore then.

It's seems more like the hits just aren't registering like they should though... is this intentional on bethesdas part??? If they were to nerf shotguns why not just reduce their damage output? It seems more like a bug then a design 'feature' xD

Don't bother fighting it when you encounter a crappy weapon, just switch to a decent weapon (ie not shotguns). Bethesda aren't about to fix any of this in a hurry if ever.

[Hijal]

Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by Hijal:

Ok so I reinstalled it seems like the damage improved so that was at least part of it? I still can shoot stuff in the face and it does basically no damage though it seems totally sporadic and random though as if hit's just were not registering. When I do hit it does what one would expect it too though... but I can see why people say shotguns suck lol. They don't seem like they really suck that bad though when they actually hit - it's just that they miss constantly that makes them suck? Vat's helps make that problem go away but ugh... I can see why nobody uses shotguns anymore then.

It's seems more like the hits just aren't registering like they should though... is this intentional on bethesdas part??? If they were to nerf shotguns why not just reduce their damage output? It seems more like a bug then a design 'feature' xD

Don't bother fighting it when you encounter a crappy weapon, just switch to a decent weapon (ie not shotguns). Bethesda aren't about to fix any of this in a hurry if ever.

Yea it seems like hits broken altogether it's not even a nerf they just don't register hits 90% of the time period. That answers my original question then I guess. Thanks guys!