I thought this game didn't have forced pvp

[lockwoodx]

There was a public quest to help defend some random's claimed base. After the event finished they killed me also. Dude was some astronomical level I had no hope of touching so I just logged off instead.

[Bored Peon]

Well time for you to see how your own words are insulting.

Publicado originalmente por TwinChops:

Because unless you are using exploits there simply is no way (minus Workshops and PvP events obv.) that you can kill a player that is in Pacifist mode.

As you put it....

Publicado originalmente por TwinChops:

i dont even know how to counter it because its so wrong.

Pacifist prevents YOU from doing damage.
Pacifist does NOT prevent others from doing damage to you.

[Kriminaal]

The past few days, doing 10 events in ashlands, have been going to the workshop there and mingling with other players to complete the defense event, didn't even get accidentally shot at. I mean, this post is kind of off-kilter to the actual experience of the game. Very rarely do I encounter any sort of PvP. I have literally gone afk at a workshop while I worked and not been killed (no hiding, no squatting, just standing there...).

The only thing I avoid in this game is gear that does damage back to melee attackers. One time at a Scorched Queen Event, a guy was running around with a deathclaw gauntlet punching people and I was like, wtf is he doing. Then he hit me and my PA effect triggered and hit him back, even though he did no damage to me, but apparently that counts as agreeing to PvP, then his next whack 1-shotted me. Not sure if that was a bug, or a loop hole, but ever since, I junk any piece of gear that has a 'deal damage to attacker' affect.

[Sgt.HomeSkillet]

Any game that has a "zone", or any circumstances where pvp may be inacted, some people feel mistakingly they are being treated unfair.

What is really unfair, is to arrive in a designated fun shooty pew pew place, and spoil said fun by maligning players who are in the shooty zone to (*gasp) have some pvp, fill their player kill quota etc. You know, the intended purpose.

Other games I've played have also had a problem with players who inherently misunderstood the game.
Ex: A pvp zone where rewards/loot where to be had. AS A REWARD FOR JOINING PLAYER VS PLAYER.

Some would still cry that they didn't want pvp, they said they just wanted the rewards/benefits/loot that comes with it.

Just don't go to a warzone, expect daisies. And then spoil things for people just doing what the site, and it's existence is there for.

Just because sometimes, someone let's you run around without shooting you, does NOT mean you are entitled to that.

Relax. It's pixels and a few dropped junk you probably won't be needing anyway.

There's an old online game saying "Red is Dead". And it's a good one.

[brabro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAAHrxr-atk

[Bored Peon]

Publicado originalmente por Kriminaal:

The past few days, doing 10 events in ashlands, have been going to the workshop there and mingling with other players to complete the defense event, didn't even get accidentally shot at.

That is because this did not happen:

Publicado originalmente por cougarshamn:

If you are at a workshop when someone else attempts a takeover, you are in a PvP zone and a fair target, doesn't matter if you are the owner or not

The OP happened to be at a workshop when someone DID try to claim it.

You can go to dozens and dozens of workshop defenses and never get involved with PVP with pacifist on, mostly because for the most part people know claiming makes it into PVP and avoids claiming. However it is eventually going to occur when someone attempts to take the workshop during the defense event.

If is a pretty rare thing to happen, you just have to be aware of that possibility. If it does happen then respawn and go do something else and get over it.

That possibility of someone claiming the workshop increases exponentially when there is a Claim Workshop task for the Daily or Weekly.

[jerrypocalypse]

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:

Pacifist prevents YOU from doing damage.
Pacifist does NOT prevent others from doing damage to you.

That's not entirely correct. Pacifist mode does prevent others from damaging you as well, as well, unless you do something to temporarily deactivate it (taking a workshop, picking a lock at a player camp, etc). But if you run into some random guy and you have pacifist mode enabled, and they try to shoot you, you are in fact protected.

[Bored Peon]

Publicado originalmente por jerrypocalypse:

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:

Pacifist prevents YOU from doing damage.
Pacifist does NOT prevent others from doing damage to you.

That's not entirely correct. Pacifist mode does prevent others from damaging you as well, as well, unless you do something to temporarily deactivate it (taking a workshop, picking a lock at a player camp, etc). But if you run into some random guy and you have pacifist mode enabled, and they try to shoot you, you are in fact protected.

You are wrong because you took it out of context.

Publicado originalmente por TwinChops:

Because unless you are using exploits there simply is no way (minus Workshops and PvP events obv.) that you can kill a player that is in Pacifist mode.

The person is trying to imply that the pacifist settings is like other games where it negates any and all damage from players when you turn pvp off. Fallout 76 does not work that way.

[LockeCasual]

I've played this game since day 1 and I still forget sometimes that workshops under attack are not an invite to help, but actually an invite to hinder. It is meant to be a PVP event. It is assuming that there are not enough resources in this land of abundance called Appalachia, that we'd need to murder each other for loose screws. If I won loose screw from PVP i'd do it all the time, but sadly, there's little to be gained by pwning nwbs

[読んでください]

NEVER pvp in this game. It is completely broken and its not fun seeing your character being blasted away by some guy jumping around like its Fortnite with a broken explosive weapon.

[LockeCasual]

I actually have fun pvping the rare time I do. I have OP guns and rock a low END high PER rifle/cowboy build. I usually end up pvp'ing whales in Power armor. The last time it happend was a couple days ago, I had a little shoot out with a whale who lit me up with a gatling laser after I squirted him with water. He was mad I guess bc I shot him in return. Then he tried to nuke my base after I ignored him (I got my revenge, so the fight was over lol). It was a wasted effort bc I just swapped servers

Two things I learned from this little battle: the walls in Nuka world do not block explosive gatling fire, and the that old rifle, the Dragon, is still OP with the right perks (makes space marines mad)

[jerrypocalypse]

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:

Publicado originalmente por jerrypocalypse:

That's not entirely correct. Pacifist mode does prevent others from damaging you as well, as well, unless you do something to temporarily deactivate it (taking a workshop, picking a lock at a player camp, etc). But if you run into some random guy and you have pacifist mode enabled, and they try to shoot you, you are in fact protected.

You are wrong because you took it out of context.

Publicado originalmente por TwinChops:

Because unless you are using exploits there simply is no way (minus Workshops and PvP events obv.) that you can kill a player that is in Pacifist mode.

The person is trying to imply that the pacifist settings is like other games where it negates any and all damage from players when you turn pvp off. Fallout 76 does not work that way.

I didn't take anything out of context. It does negate "any and all damage" from players, except when it gets disabled via things like workshop takeovers, picking player camp locks, etc, which the poster you're arguing against also pointed out. If you are in pacifist mode, you cannot be hurt by another player unless you do something that disables the mode. Your statement directly claims that it only prevents you from hurting others:

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:

Pacifist prevents YOU from doing damage.
Pacifist does NOT prevent others from doing damage to you.

Which is untrue.

[Bored Peon]

Publicado originalmente por jerrypocalypse:

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:

Pacifist prevents YOU from doing damage.
Pacifist does NOT prevent others from doing damage to you.

Which is untrue.

It is true and you are creating a semantic argument just to argue. Semantic arguments like yours does nothing but confuse people as to how the game mechanics actually work.

Pacifist does NOT prevent slap damage because slap damage was REMOVED completely over THREE YEARS AGO. There is no slap damage to prevent as you previously claimed:

Publicado originalmente por jerrypocalypse:

But if you run into some random guy and you have pacifist mode enabled, and they try to shoot you, you are in fact protected.

This was because people could do continual slap damage and kill the other person before they could even choose whether or not to fight back.

All pacifist does is prevents you from slapping other people to initiate PVP by removing ALL damage you do to other players. This means if you are in pacifist you have to turn it off in order to fight back.

Pacifist does not protect you in any way shape or form.

[PotatoBasket]

*So if you have pacifist on and are on team with someone in a workshop actively fighting another player who has pacifist on, the individuals with pacifist on don't cause each other damage. (the one and only instance of pacifist doing something)

[Dr. Nim Saj]

workshops
+ the 2 missions
Hunter Hunted
and Monster Mash

learn to remember the green building line around a workshop

[Bored Peon]

Publicado originalmente por PotatoBasket:

So if you have pacifist on and are on team with someone in a workshop actively fighting another player who has pacifist on, the individuals with pacifist on don't cause each other damage.

Depends why they are fighting.

If your teammate tried to claim the workshop you are flagged for PVP just being there, which is the issue of this topic.

If your teammate slapped him and they are fighting you are not flagged.

It also depends which type of group you are in. If you are in a public team another player on your team cannot force you into pvp. In a private team then if any player on the team engages in PVP then the whole team are all flagged for pvp. Obviously it is designed that way to prevent people from greifing public teams forcing them into PVP.