Are Enclave plasma gun mods more common now?

[Similar]

Never used the Enclave plasma weapons on my other characters, but I know some people spent ages finding the mods for them, and when you saw them in player vendors a year ago they were rather expensive.

My new character, who is ... six days old or so, now has two aligned flamer barrels, a sniper barrel and a nightvision scope (that one is not interesting, but I assume that if scopes drop from something, that source could potentially also drop the interesting mods).

First aligned flamer dropped from Tea Time, of all things, and the next day I found I one at the Brotherhood vendor in Watoga, on a public server I'd been playing on for six hours or more. I don't remember where the sniper barrel is from, but the scope was from the random encounter with the Mr. Handy who is about to explode and you have to repair it.

[Koby]

You can get them from some events and from a couple vendors, but it's still pretty rare and the mod itself for aligned flamer barrel apparently still goes for around 32K to 40K caps.

I was told earlier today that the rifle with Automatic Barrel is worth upwards of 80k though because it isn't an obtainable mod and must just come with the gun... Though idk anyone who uses EPR without the flamer barrel personally.

[slippingsnake]

in my experience the "enclave flmer barrel mod" is rare as jack and that is the only mod of interest.

You're sure that these are Enclave and not just Plasma-Gun mods?

However, the Enclave Gun can come as Pistol or Rifle with differnt barrels and sights/ scopes.
But the reflexsight and Pisto/ Rifle stock is not avilable so you might grind for an "Enclave Plasma Rifle" (barrel doesn't matter) with the Reflexsight to put the flamer barrel and legendary effects on.

btw, the non-Enclave Plasmagun is only 10% weaker, Mods are learned by scrapping Plasma Guns and when turned into flamer has a 300 round Magazine like the Enclave Version.

Arguable good legendary "non Enclave Plasma Gun" can outperform a mediore "Enclave Plasma gun" and should be easier obtainable/ modifible.

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Originally posted by Koby:

You can get them from some events and from a couple vendors, but it's still pretty rare and the mod itself for aligned flamer barrel apparently still goes for around 32K to 40K caps.

ouch.

Originally posted by Koby:

I was told earlier today that the rifle with Automatic Barrel is worth upwards of 80k though because it isn't an obtainable mod and must just come with the gun... Though idk anyone who uses EPR without the flamer barrel personally.

hm. Always a bit weird when rare stuff is expensive just because it's rare, but then, sometimes my brain goes into completionist mode too (not for stuff that costs 80K, though...).

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

You're sure that these are Enclave and not just Plasma-Gun mods?

yeh,
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2889533627

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

However, the Enclave Gun can come as Pistol or Rifle with differnt barrels and sights/ scopes.
But the reflexsight and Pisto/ Rifle stock is not avilable so you might grind for an "Enclave Plasma Rifle" (barrel doesn't matter) with the Reflexsight to put the flamer barrel and legendary effects on.

yeah, I've tried farming for it on other characters, but the guy in the Enclave bunker always seems to drop the bog standard one. I don't think I've ever had anything else from him (and the others down there mostly just drop pistols, or even laser rifles).

I'm currently working on getting access to the military wing vendor in the Enclave (I wish
I'd hurried up and done that during the spooky scorched event; it's so nicely quick then). I think there's a chance to find the rifle with random mods there too.

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

btw, the non-Enclave Plasmagun is only 10% weaker, Mods are learned by scrapping Plasma Guns and when turned into flamer has a 300 round Magazine like the Enclave Version.

Arguable good legendary "non Enclave Plasma Gun" can outperform a mediore "Enclave Plasma gun" and should be easier obtainable/ modifible.

Maybe I should try that first, just to see if I even like the weapon at all, before I get too deep into farming for the Enclave one.

Any idea if it triggers Friendly Fire, btw? That would be helpful so I don't have to carry another flamer around too (especially since I'll probably only need Friendly FIre for Rumble).

[slippingsnake]

"Any idea if it triggers Friendly Fire, btw?"
I think no, tested it in rad rumble and was shocked the guy didn't heal, then had to go in inventory to find my flamer... :)

wich is also the answer: even with the flamer-barrel the plasmagun is still rated as a rifle, not a flamer.
And it has a short range.

But the takeaway is: don't sell these mods for bottlecaps, trade them for something equaly rare that you want more then 2 Enclave Plsma Guns (2 or more makes sense if you have multiple charcaters).

[slippingsnake]

About the rarity of the mods:
I'm looking for a month, intensiv with multiple characters and couldn't find the "Enclave Flamer Barrel" mod at the vendors, but I got 1 from an Enclave event.

For the Enclave Gun/ Rifle Version with reflexsights it was the same, I could find rilfes at the vendors but either without the Reflex Sights (I have now like 6 of them :) or Scope, only 1 "perfect" I got from an Event.

Off topic but funny: I also got a non-Enclave, non-legendary Plasma rifle with flamer barrel and Reflex Sights from"Eviction Notice",though this one I could produce myself:)

[Koby]

I managed to find the Enclave Rifle with reflex sights and aligned stock on the very first visit to the bunker in which I was looking for it. So lucked out on that.

However the Flamer Barrel I spent 5 hours one day server hopping and running between Watoga Plaza and Watoga Station and only found some random enclave scope mods.

Ended up buying the Aligned Flamer Barrel from another player for 32K caps worth of junk.

So got the perfect setup for it now.... just gotta spend the scrip rolling and rolling the legendary effects until I luck out, but that's gonna be some time till I have enough scrip to get enough modules to bother.

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Originally posted by Koby:

I was told earlier today that the rifle with Automatic Barrel is worth upwards of 80k though because it isn't an obtainable mod and must just come with the gun... Though idk anyone who uses EPR without the flamer barrel personally.

hm. Just bought one with True Automatic Barrel and Stabilized stock from the Enclave vendor. Standard capacitor and sights, though. I mostly bought it because it was the only one there was.

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Originally posted by slippingsnake:

"Any idea if it triggers Friendly Fire, btw?"
I think no, tested it in rad rumble and was shocked the guy didn't heal, then had to go in inventory to find my flamer... :)

That's a shame.
But I found the wiki list of weapons that supposedly triggers it and it seems rather random. Mostly melee with burning mods (and the page contradicts itself too; apparently the Hellstorm with Napalm mod both works and doesn't work).

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

But the takeaway is: don't sell these mods for bottlecaps, trade them for something equaly rare that you want more then 2 Enclave Plsma Guns (2 or more makes sense if you have multiple charcaters).

yeah, I'll see. Maybe if I end up liking it, I'll want one on another character too.
... Not that I can remember if other of my characters have found the mod. I think one may have.

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

About the rarity of the mods:
I'm looking for a month, intensiv with multiple characters and couldn't find the "Enclave Flamer Barrel" mod at the vendors, but I got 1 from an Enclave event.

I guess it's the same as it used to be, I've just been luckier than I used to be...

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

For the Enclave Gun/ Rifle Version with reflexsights it was the same, I could find rilfes at the vendors but either without the Reflex Sights (I have now like 6 of them :) or Scope, only 1 "perfect" I got from an Event.

I'm pretty sure I've never found one with reflex sight on any of my characters. But it's limited how hard I've been trying too. Mostly some farming of the bunker until I got fed up with that, IIRC.

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Well, did a Dropped Connection just now and
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2889665144
Don't know if I should hold out for an aligned stock, but it's something (and I have a feeling I'll have terrible RNG for a year or so to make up for these recent finds).

[❤Spyti❤]

Originally posted by slippingsnake:

in my experience the "enclave flmer barrel mod" is rare as jack and that is the only mod of interest.

You're sure that these are Enclave and not just Plasma-Gun mods?

However, the Enclave Gun can come as Pistol or Rifle with differnt barrels and sights/ scopes.
But the reflexsight and Pisto/ Rifle stock is not avilable so you might grind for an "Enclave Plasma Rifle" (barrel doesn't matter) with the Reflexsight to put the flamer barrel and legendary effects on.

btw, the non-Enclave Plasmagun is only 10% weaker, Mods are learned by scrapping Plasma Guns and when turned into flamer has a 300 round Magazine like the Enclave Version.

Arguable good legendary "non Enclave Plasma Gun" can outperform a mediore "Enclave Plasma gun" and should be easier obtainable/ modifible.

What mods should I be seeking on the enclave plasma rifle? I got a bunch of them, a few with flamer and reflex, one flamer could be true. I just want to know what the best by performance to deal the best damage.

[PotatoBasket]

Originally posted by Koby:

You can get them from some events and from a couple vendors, but it's still pretty rare and the mod itself for aligned flamer barrel apparently still goes for around 32K to 40K caps.

I was told earlier today that the rifle with Automatic Barrel is worth upwards of 80k though because it isn't an obtainable mod and must just come with the gun... Though idk anyone who uses EPR without the flamer barrel personally.

Meh, lol. I rolled a particularly good instigating sniper rifle. It is nifty and quite good. No, I don't actually use energy weapons but it's still sitting there.

Friendly Fire has bugged out with updates before. So, all flame weapons worked, and then one day we were just hacking up the NPCs we were suppose to save. Rough time on those scavengers, that update. Wiki might have stuff mixed up due to that. Currently, anything non-explosive with flame (not plasma) should be working for FF. Note, "Flamer Barrel" is the style of fire, it doesn't change the type of damage received; you'd be better off with a standard flamer if it did (more dps, but it's specifically fire)

[slippingsnake]

Originally posted by ❤Spyti❤:

What mods should I be seeking on the enclave plasma rifle? I got a bunch of them, a few with flamer and reflex, one flamer could be true. I just want to know what the best by performance to deal the best damage.

After some research my verdict is:

-any Version of the "Enclave Flamer Barrel", that is the only important Part, either it comes with the gun or you can change it yourself.

-Pistol or Rifle depends on the stock, can't be changed and define wich perks (rifle/ pistol perks) benefit the gun. i.e. "Tank Killer" (perk benefits all rifles and pistols) has armor penetrtion and chance to stagger, sounds good for boss fights while pistol perks support VATS and criticals.

-Reflex Sigths reduce AP-cost, though it is personal preference if the player uses VATS or just pull the trigger non-stop because he must be close to the target anyway.

-Prime Capacitor is the only mod that can be learned but not recommaned until the user has the means to constantly resupply "Ultrcite-Plasma cells", either with "Ammo Factory" or from daily Ops or however.

-Legendary effects are again a matter of personal preference, my favorites in Order would be:
Vampire, Aristocrat, Bloodied, Anti Armor, Furious.

For Enclave and non-Enclave Plasma Flamer "Quad" is not useful as it only expands the magazine from 300 to 360 rounds.

And +25% Firerate seems to be the best second legendary effect to increase dps (or healing from Vampire).


However, after this talk I have the growing suspicion that the non-Enclave version could be better if a Capacitor is installed that increases critical damage.

The"Slug Buster" is an optional Mission reward from the Vault 87 Heist when sided with the Raiders; it has Anti Armor, +50% VATS critical damge, 90% weigth reduction and a hidden bonus wich reduces AP cost by 20%, could be useful but I have to check if it can be turned into a flamer.

[PotatoBasket]

Yes, slug buster can (could be) a flamer (I gifted mine as such).

[Mooman]

The reason Plasma Flamers are all the rage goes back to a video of a quick kill (few seconds) of Earle. It was via crits and canned coffee spaming, plus buff stacking (bobbleheads, magazines, food, revenant etc.).

Therefore the sought after mods are: reflex sight (-15% AP), stabilised stock (only rifle option), aligned flamer barrel (-5% AP can be added via mod), severe beta wave capacitor (50% crit damage can be added via mod). The true flamer only misses out on -5% AP but that is not an issue in free aim, as is the inclusion of the reflex sight.

As for mods dropping more often it's usually a character based 'luck', some characters RNG is locked (bugged) in the 'lucky zone'. Character level also plays a part in drop tables. I theorise that lower levels (playtime) are luckier in order to hook them in, then drops end up further apart. It's an old poker machine tick.

[therussmeister]

Originally posted by Similar:

I'm currently working on getting access to the military wing vendor in the Enclave (I wish
I'd hurried up and done that during the spooky scorched event; it's so nicely quick then). I think there's a chance to find the rifle with random mods there too.

I just happened to start doing the bunker quests during Halloween and yeah, got access to that wing really quickly.