Can I go to war with the raiders?

[Vertigo]

I simply don't like them. Every time I do part of the main quest with them I just want to shoot them. I have gotten to the point where I convinced the ghoul not to bury himself. Is there some juncture soon where I can turn the Crater into a Crater?

[Mooman]

Nope, that's why the Blood Eagles exist.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by Mooman:

Nope, that's why the Blood Eagles exist.

If I get my rep low enough, will the raiders in the open map at least get aggro again?

[Mooman]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

Originally posted by Mooman:

Nope, that's why the Blood Eagles exist.

If I get my rep low enough, will the raiders in the open map at least get aggro again?

I guess, theoretically. But I don't think you can drop a level and there are only a few ways to get negative rep such as photos or something.

Beth even added a reputation 'cleaner' in the Wayward so I figure at some stage there was to more to it all, chalk this up to rushing a deadline.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by Mooman:

Originally posted by Vertigo:

If I get my rep low enough, will the raiders in the open map at least get aggro again?

I guess, theoretically. But I don't think you can drop a level and there are only a few ways to get negative rep such as photos or something.

Beth even added a reputation 'cleaner' in the Wayward so I figure at some stage there was to more to it all, chalk this up to rushing a deadline.

Watching old vids of FO3 and New Vegas and there were so many ways to make enemies and do people dirty.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

I simply don't like them. Every time I do part of the main quest with them I just want to shoot them. I have gotten to the point where I convinced the ghoul not to bury himself. Is there some juncture soon where I can turn the Crater into a Crater?

Yes its difficult, also the only way to spawn a specific npc in the wayward who you can pay to get back on good terms with them...

I'm not sure if they go openly hostile since so few people have done it, but my understanding was they just become an enemy faction

[william_es]

I really don't like the raiders either. But no, there's no way to blow them up, like you can with the institute in fallout 4.

But if you follow into their quests a bit, and listen to some of their backstory... well... doesn't excuse their behavior, but they _were_ there first. It's kind of their territory. The have a twisted messed up "culture", but they are taking care of their people and living life. That just happens to involve a lot of killing and stealing from everyone else.

I'm kinda chill with the regular raiders now. If I see them fighting some group I like better, I shoot the raiders (even in the back if needed), but otherwise I leave them alone.

Now blood eagles... I step on them like roaches. Kill every single one I see. No excuse, no redeeming features, and they pretty much attack me on sight too, so it's mutual hatred. That solves any moral conflict.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by william_es:

I really don't like the raiders either. But no, there's no way to blow them up, like you can with the institute in fallout 4.

But if you follow into their quests a bit, and listen to some of their backstory... well... doesn't excuse their behavior, but they _were_ there first. It's kind of their territory. The have a twisted messed up "culture", but they are taking care of their people and living life. That just happens to involve a lot of killing and stealing from everyone else.

I'm kinda chill with the regular raiders now. If I see them fighting some group I like better, I shoot the raiders (even in the back if needed), but otherwise I leave them alone.

Now blood eagles... I step on them like roaches. Kill every single one I see. No excuse, no redeeming features, and they pretty much attack me on sight too, so it's mutual hatred. That solves any moral conflict.

It seems to me it would be more enjoyable if you were forced to choose one faction at a time, and even things like what you wore would change people's perceptions. So for example you could have a neutral character who could do dailies for both facs, but if you went down the path too far with one - you'd get the rewards and perks of that fac at the expense of others. If you wanted to be a hardcore raider, you'd need to roll another character to go all-in with the settlers. Then they could add new content along with factions, for example a moth-man apostle or a military fac.

All this would be in service to a more defined/interesting PVP too in my opion. There would be a reason you're fighting instead of just being a heel capping workshops from casuals.

[Mooman]

The funny thing with Crater if you side with them you can kill more of the named Raiders then if you side with Foundation.

So... being a 'friend' is more harmful.

[PotatoBasket]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

It seems to me it would be more enjoyable if you were forced to choose one faction at a time, and even things like what you wore would change people's perceptions. So for example you could have a neutral character who could do dailies for both facs, but if you went down the path too far with one - you'd get the rewards and perks of that fac at the expense of others. If you wanted to be a hardcore raider, you'd need to roll another character to go all-in with the settlers. Then they could add new content along with factions, for example a moth-man apostle or a military fac.

All this would be in service to a more defined/interesting PVP too in my opion. There would be a reason you're fighting instead of just being a heel capping workshops from casuals.

Yes, I don't think any fans disagree with that. Most of us really, really want it. There'd be a lot more point to additional characters. Personally I think all the factions present would be better served as adversaries, and the story is damaged by not having faction preference and divergence. Some of the brotherhood story was headed in that direction, so we can hope...