Bring back the raids

[Dr. Nim Saj]

RAIDS were the daily Ops' precursor
Much MUCH more intensive

it was scrapped and was used as a model for dops
back then bethesda was still working out their instances so a lot went haywire

also pansies complained "too Hard"
same pansies that complain now "too easy"

raids were like 30-45 minutes of battle intensive team workout
it brought people together
you just had to know the others strengths and weaknesses

Bring this back so we don't have this legacy snobs killing SQB in 2 seconds

[Phantom]

the issue was how unstable it was, and the lack of ability to stop and smell the roses

that said they've fixed a lot of the stability issues, and they could make it so you only have to deal with endless swarms when you were in a new part of it


the code has to be handy but since they couldn't get meat week to work right after they did 'successfully' work it twice after a coding fix to grahm and chally borked the event

good chance that them putting raids back in would destroy a lot of other stuff

[Dr. Nim Saj]

引用自 Phantom：

the issue was how unstable it was, and the lack of ability to stop and smell the roses

that said they've fixed a lot of the stability issues, and they could make it so you only have to deal with endless swarms when you were in a new part of it


the code has to be handy but since they couldn't get meat week to work right after they did 'successfully' work it twice after a coding fix to grahm and chally borked the event

good chance that them putting raids back in would destroy a lot of other stuff

very well aware of the issues :D
i once soloed the thing
and some invited me from the outside near the end
i literally transported out of the instance
instead of them going to me inside the vault...

in what way they would be destroying a lot of other stuff in comparison to the bulk they Fd' up already ?

...
the Pitt is gonna be such a sh!tfest right ? :D

[peacetohippies]

Just another thing Bethesda Austin spent real time developing that they ended up scrapping. What a great developer.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

引用自 peacetohippies：

Just another thing Bethesda Austin spent real time developing that they ended up scrapping. What a great developer.

those were kids bruh

INNOCENT KIDS

and you didn't tell them

you let them be slaughtered!

[Mooman]

I think that kind of content (organised groups) would be welcome but not very popular.

The lack of communication options limits it to the general public, a good example is Project Paradise before going public.

If it ever came back, and they should as Vaults are a part of Fallout lore, it would need some adjustments to rewards and the 'all die we wipe progress' raid mechanic.

The whole you need to do every difficulty level each week to get all the rewards was discriminating.

If they were more like Destiny 2 strikes in that you are match made with randoms but with simple enough puzzles to not need an organised group might work... but instead we get The Pitt...

[Blade2k9]

good idea! also plz some more of those raids in different locations and higher difficulty selection. legacy weapons should be deacitvated while entering tough, for obvious reason.

[BizarreMan]

Things that worked against the Vault Raids

1) No public teaming capabilities or means of signifying to other players you wanted to do the raid if you didn't have an external means of coordinating a raid.

2) Limited repeat daily awards once you achieved success. If my friends run it while I am offline, there is little incentive for them to run it again when I can participate.

3) If you die, that's it, bounced out of the instance and no way to get back in and rejoin. If the only means of death was due to personal actions, they might have been able to work past it. But with so many ways to die by glitch. Not encouraging to come back in. It was not uncommon for a teammate to enter the downed status, and the rest of the team be unable to revive them because we couldn't actually hit them with a stimpak.

4) Overall stability. Get kicked out for any reason, and you're out.

5) Extremely restrictive rewards for killing mobs. Kill a mob and get 10-12xp. Complete and total ammo and chem sink. Okay, the DO may have gone too far the other direction in regards to per kill rewards for ammo. But they aren't bankrupting people who want to participate.

With the addition of public teams, number one is no longer a problem. Form a "Vault Raid" team and voila'. People can join you. Stability of instances has gotten a lot better. So that wouldn't be as big of a problem now.

So it comes down to rewards. Which have been handled with the DO's quite well.

[Arcanix]

Question is: Do you want to be able to reset the raids, or do you want a lockout period to make the loot more exclusive?

[Good Bunny]

We need a Vault 51 raid, so there's a reason to go deal with all the enemies and the annoyingly strong power armor wearing Scorched Overseer. just not worth it

[Dr. Nim Saj]

All great critiques!

i am of course Not asking for a return of the broken raids from yesteryear

back then it was a broken mess
dops now is pretty decent, so this would be much more stable than before

引用自 Mooman：

I think that kind of content (organised groups) would be welcome but not very popular.

The lack of communication options limits it to the general public, a good example is Project Paradise before going public.

there are different ways to reward players
a star next to their name for example
different color to show the player earned their stripes
you can have all the legacies, but raids should be the endgame and it would only be about earning those stripes
it's an honor thing really
(and stolen valor is of course another thing, using OP legacy/hacked just makes you look like a fool)
Yes, for once just no material rewards. Amazing right?
it does work in other games
why not here?
for the honor
and a nice color on your name
or rank
end players already have (nearly) everything anyway

引用自 Mooman：

If it ever came back, and they should as Vaults are a part of Fallout lore, it would need some adjustments to rewards and the 'all die we wipe progress' raid mechanic.

The whole you need to do every difficulty level each week to get all the rewards was discriminating.

yes it was dogsh!t

but like with earle = you crash but you can just return to your team
(and of course that doesn't work out sometimes, but most of the time i can just return)

the raids should be endgame
so it should not be moaned about
it requires good communication in team
tough luck if you come in unprepared

and it should not be a weekly
it should be a specific system
no bs like hey let me google for the codes

[sascomander]

The playerbase is to casual for raids they can barely figure out how to activate three pylons to turn off a shield.

[Mooman]

引用自 ✺ 𓌉◯𓇋 ☂ ⸙͎۪۫：

there are different ways to reward players
a star next to their name for example
different color to show the player earned their stripes
you can have all the legacies, but raids should be the endgame and it would only be about earning those stripes
it's an honor thing really
(and stolen valor is of course another thing, using OP legacy/hacked just makes you look like a fool)
Yes, for once just no material rewards. Amazing right?
it does work in other games
why not here?
for the honor
and a nice color on your name
or rank
end players already have (nearly) everything anyway

Titles would be an interesting personality reward, or the ability to emote with a stein from the event.

Many years ago I loved raiding and figuring out alternative strategies to the established ones.

But therein lies the problem, there are no 'trinity' roles, tank, healer, dps. All the raids/dungeons will end up being everyone for themselves.

Raids are a tough thing as mechanics wise they are either boss fight tank and spank like Earle, or stand here press this button at the right time.

If the Vault raids were made dungeons with good story telling groups could go in and tackle them how they like. Want to stealth, sure, want to go in guns blazing, sure.

The Burrows tried this but unfortunately once you go through and get The Gutter there is no other reason to go back (the Ghouls tend to have a lot of legendarys, but that's nothing important anymore).

This is why I like the Destiny 2 strike format (I don't like Destiny though). The story is the same each time but somehow having the audio hypes you up to do well.

[Dr. Nim Saj]

引用自 sascomander：

The playerbase is to casual for raids they can barely figure out how to activate three pylons to turn off a shield.

then they have to get smarter
the git gud actually does apply here
free stuff sure
but not to help relax, but to get better

resources deserve more respect
some think i just poop bullets all over the place :D
so i say "what have you done for me lately?" :D

it really depends on my mood
especially with serums
coz i grinded caps from the beginning for the recipes
and that was more painful than nowadays
that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ attitude "hey gimme gimme"
immediately Punish it with logic

[Dr. Nim Saj]

引用自 Mooman：

Titles would be an interesting personality reward, or the ability to emote with a stein from the event.

Many years ago I loved raiding and figuring out alternative strategies to the established ones.

But therein lies the problem, there are no 'trinity' roles, tank, healer, dps. All the raids/dungeons will end up being everyone for themselves.

that is indeed a tough balance to achieve
bethesda was very sloppy in that regard
Very
like a "meh" type thing

the trinity roles you speak of is difficulty in any game
years ago played payday2 nonstop
everyone was basically the chief (a non-armored bloodied type)
people who like to break code /picklock vault .. the douches in smoking just took over

'GET THE F K UP"
4 of those healer berseker sneakers
so the heavy is worthless
the technician is worthless
what's the point then?
the suits are almost as fast as the specialist

so i say
NERF BLOODIED UNY COMMANDO

OH and BOOST berserker
2.5 to 3
would be hilarious

[time to get downvoted rofl]

[Dr. Nim Saj]

you playing some banjo on your patio

a sudden burst
gravel shooting in the air
THE MOTHERLODE is back
"mirty, we're going to the center of the earth, we need 7 of your best friends!, or else the world is doomed ... for the fourth time i lost count shaddap"
<Event: the End?> started

<..>joined
<..>joined
etc