"legacy" weapons? right . . .

[HermitKermit]

there are at least two people in each event i have been in during the past week with "legacy" aka, no-longer-dropping, "rare" explosive gatling plasma or other explosive energy weapons. some as low as level 60. there some duping happening here? or happened??

three star legendary enemies die before my 40mm grenades get to them, with takes less than a second. process that. non-boss toughest version of each type of enemy possible die in less than one second by one person holding their fire button.

i enjoy the game for what it is. i enjoy that other people enjoy it. and "balance" should not matter in a mostly pve game, true . . .

but when you cannot get loot because your 40mm grenade launcher takes a second to reach it's target, that is just silly.

now, there are two options: make content harder, or nerf existing stuff.

is a catch 22, though, in that nerfing people's stuff will upset them. and making content harder will upset other people.

so here we are. nothing to be done for it, i guess. but wanted to put that out there: "legacy" weapons are everywhere, not rare, and I, for one, despite extensive server hopping/shopping have yet to see one for sale. anywhere.

[Winston Churchill]

Another thread about Beth's red headed step child. No offense to real red headed step children..

[Phantom]

80-85% of the legacies used are duped
99.9% of the ones you see in those events are

grenades are op at one shotting enemies, so if you aren't using a tag friendly weapon don't get upset others aren't too

the correct answer is raise gear caps to 100, raise enemy caps to 200 problem solved

[HermitKermit]

Originally posted by Phantom:

80-85% of the legacies used are duped
99.9% of the ones you see in those events are

grenades are op at one shotting enemies, so if you aren't using a tag friendly weapon don't get upset others aren't too

the correct answer is raise gear caps to 100, raise enemy caps to 200 problem solved

good call on the grenades, but mine rarely one shot. was using for hopes of aoe tagging before the explosive energies vaporized everything.

[zephyrillo]

I keep hearing but hardly ever see someone using a legacy. I know my weapons are not yet 98% of the time I am doing just as much damage as others. I think most of this talk is from people that don't have the right perk card build, Weapon not modded right and poor legendary rolls. I have seen them, it is just so rare though.

[DaRkWoLf]

everytime i encounter those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i enjoy annoying them with doubleshot fatman nuking the entire eventfloor. also while in event shooting them with explosiv ammo weapons so they aint seeing ♥♥♥♥ is quit amusing scince it seems to piss them off.

[RMPyro]

Most veteran players have legacies, but they don't use them on events. Bloodied explosive gattling plasma is most likely duped by everyone. There was like 2 or 3 in existence before they removed the explosive legendary buff from the loot table. The one with Bloodied explosive and 90% reduced weight.

Players was looking for them in trade channels for like a half year with no response. Then the latest dupe came and everyone had it.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by Phantom:

80-85% of the legacies used are duped
99.9% of the ones you see in those events are

grenades are op at one shotting enemies, so if you aren't using a tag friendly weapon don't get upset others aren't too

the correct answer is raise gear caps to 100, raise enemy caps to 200 problem solved

So you'd have everyone reroll all our leg gear, including weapons, armor and PA? Instead of simply re-balancing the explosive prefix?

That's a bad take, my dude.

[Hefutoxin]

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

Originally posted by Phantom:

80-85% of the legacies used are duped
99.9% of the ones you see in those events are

grenades are op at one shotting enemies, so if you aren't using a tag friendly weapon don't get upset others aren't too

the correct answer is raise gear caps to 100, raise enemy caps to 200 problem solved

So you'd have everyone reroll all our leg gear, including weapons, armor and PA? Instead of simply re-balancing the explosive prefix?

That's a bad take, my dude.

It's actually the correct answer.

They can't "simply rebalance" the explosive prefix on energy weapons. Explosive weapons are tied to a ballistic hit, which is why Flamers and Cryolaters shoot bullets and anything with a splitter goes nuts.

Best option is just to outscale the power of these Legacy items, while also creating a new grind for player longevity.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

So you'd have everyone reroll all our leg gear, including weapons, armor and PA? Instead of simply re-balancing the explosive prefix?

That's a bad take, my dude.

I would yes, you can't remove legacies without removing the bulk of the paid subscribers. You could raise gear caps and not lose them.

Also you can't change the weapons effects it breaks hundreds of other things, that is why they haven't.

I would also have them follow through with 4th and 5th stars on equipment

I would also have them revamp 90% of the legendary effects to either be parity with each other or at least not demonstrably awful... ex. Assassins 50% more damage to people... or bloodied 95% more damage to people... or junkies 50% more damage to everything... ok well maybe assassins can be 250% more damage to people. Make them meaningful or remove them entirely.

I would also have them revert legendary crafting to its original form where you rolled prefix, major and minor separately could have a 1* become a 2* then a 3*

&/OR I would have them just add a new intentional crafting mechanic, where for 100 modules you can choose the effects you want

&/OR I would have them make it so that you have a % chance to remove a legendary effect via scrapping allowing it to be installed by choice on something later

I would also have them add a 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th legendary perk card and a flock of new legendary cards

I would also have them add a bunch of new bosses and enemies to the game, ripping assets from fo4 and public created things that they have the copyrights too

I would also have them add new game + for the story

etc etc etc

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by RMPyro:

Most veteran players have legacies, but they don't use them on events. Bloodied explosive gattling plasma is most likely duped by everyone. There was like 2 or 3 in existence before they removed the explosive legendary buff from the loot table. The one with Bloodied explosive and 90% reduced weight.

Players was looking for them in trade channels for like a half year with no response. Then the latest dupe came and everyone had it.

They had no response because nobody was selling. Anyone with a legit EE weapon wasn't interested in trading.

And there were far more than 2 or 3 in existence, you're completely wrong lmao. We had a full year after launch before EE was changed, and many OGs have or have had a BE gatplas that was obtained pre-nerf. In fact, tons of people scrapped them, because back then they weren't even that great. It wasn't until the explosive prefix buff that they came into heavy use.

And stop calling them "legacies" guys. There are other legacy weapons than just explosive energy.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by Phantom:

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

So you'd have everyone reroll all our leg gear, including weapons, armor and PA? Instead of simply re-balancing the explosive prefix?

That's a bad take, my dude.

I would yes, you can't remove legacies without removing the bulk of the paid subscribers. You could raise gear caps and not lose them.

Also you can't change the weapons effects it breaks hundreds of other things, that is why they haven't.

I would also have them follow through with 4th and 5th stars on equipment

I would also have them revamp 90% of the legendary effects to either be parity with each other or at least not demonstrably awful... ex. Assassins 50% more damage to people... or bloodied 95% more damage to people... or junkies 50% more damage to everything... ok well maybe assassins can be 250% more damage to people. Make them meaningful or remove them entirely.

I would also have them revert legendary crafting to its original form where you rolled prefix, major and minor separately could have a 1* become a 2* then a 3*

&/OR I would have them just add a new intentional crafting mechanic, where for 100 modules you can choose the effects you want

&/OR I would have them make it so that you have a % chance to remove a legendary effect via scrapping allowing it to be installed by choice on something later

I would also have them add a 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th legendary perk card and a flock of new legendary cards

I would also have them add a bunch of new bosses and enemies to the game, ripping assets from fo4 and public created things that they have the copyrights too

I would also have them add new game + for the story

etc etc etc

First off, I understand your reasoning. I still disagree. The game is balanced around level 45/50, and increasing the caps isn't a simple task, BGS would have to rebalance nearly everything in the game, and I frankly don't have much confidence in their ability to do so without adverse consequences.

Also, that wouldn't prevent an exodus of paying players - the difference between removing BE energy weapons and rendering them useless? There is no difference, it's the same end result.

Finally, you would have them do all this, but the realistic take is that few or none of this will ever happen. BGS isn't interested in making sweeping changes, because:

1. It's a big undertaking and takes more work than they have resources to commit to.
2. They aren't willing to risk alienating paying players just to satisfy the demands of some others
3. And the big one: the truth is this game is a hair's breadth away from being on life support. It's the ugly reality nobody seems to want to admit but its the truth. BGS has a very small team supporting this game, and the likelihood that any big changes or big content happens is slim to none. In a year or two, this game will go into maintenance mode.

[PastelGhost]

Originally posted by DaRkWoLf:

everytime i encounter those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i enjoy annoying them with doubleshot fatman nuking the entire eventfloor. also while in event shooting them with explosiv ammo weapons so they aint seeing ♥♥♥♥ is quit amusing scince it seems to piss them off.

Until they grief you back with a hacked automatic fatman or bloatfly syinger to crash your game. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[RandyBobandy]

It was really small window to get those weapons, just delete them from people who would not be able to get them at this time becouse they had not bought the game before that... Others who bought it for real money (just give incentive to cheaters) or duped it demselves does not deserve that ♥♥♥♥... Other than creating absoulte audio aids they are killing the enjoyment for legit players especially new players by destroying everything too fast. Can't you at least use normal weapons for other to have chance to do some damage in events?

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Phantom:

the correct answer is raise gear caps to 100, raise enemy caps to 200 problem solved

If they scale at the same rate current enemies do, level 45/50 duped energy guns are still gonna be melting everything at level 200 or even 300. Level 50 explosive gat plasma will still easily outdamage anything except maybe a level 100 bloodied ffr fixer. The only way to get rid of them would be to exponentially outscale everything, to the point where the new level XXX guns are dealing 10-20x as much damage and the enemies are as much tankier. And I hope you can see how awful it would be for the game if people logged in after one update and suddenly they need cheated guns just to take out a wild scorched until they get the new high level stuff

[Mike Os™]

I've played fallout 76 when it was released on Beth Launcher, way before the first players started to migrate(free) from that launcher to steam launcher, I've seen all kinds of players, but not all weapons are duped , there are tons of "bad rolls" on those OP legacy weapons, most just have the "explosive effect" but the rest is "meh"

Even though it is still very OP!
One of my buddies from the year 1 - year 2 fallout 76 had a legit Gatling Plasma with god rolls - explosive and ignore 50% armor (cant remember the last perk) and it was pretty fun to use, cant blame those that have such weapons to use them

Even though it sure sucks when we barely join an event and its allready over, or when we get very "little kills" in some events that makes our XP almost stuck

Just dont just claim that all of those weapons are duped, there are alot of legit ones out there with pretty decent players that just help out!

If you find the "Bad ones" just block them like I do