Lots of Injected (hacked) wearable items BUT great game

[Δ]

TLDR If you played it this free weekend and want to buy it, definitely buy it. However, if you don't agree with hacked items constantly flowing into the game, and playing with lots of people who use them, then think about it carefully before buying.

I understand some people like their games played a certain way, but if you play with random people, just be warned that they may or may not, depending on your stance taken, ruin the game for you when they use these godly items. I'm not going to bash these people, because it is ultimately Bethesda's fault this was ever the case to begin with.

I very much love the game and got my moneys worth. So I'm not going to say its not worth the money to own it. I bought it, and I loved it.

I just don't want people to enjoy it as much as I did and find out later that they now, without realizing it, own a hacked item someone gave them, or play with people who use such items, and ruin the integrity of their grind (if you don't agree with it). I personally don't agree with it, but hey, to each their own.

I met people who inject godly items into the game for fun, sell them for real money, and do both. Aside from all of those shenanigans, I believe it really is a great game.

PS my point is, make sure you decide

[Mr.Ratbones]

A puppy is not just for Christmas

[Phantom]

Not a lot of hacked weapons in the game

A lot of those ones are caught and banned in short order

Legacies are around, explosive energy weapons that do 300% more damage than most current guns (a few current ones do keep pace with legacies, some obliterate them in terms of power)

A lot of those have been duped over the years, but most of the known major dupes have been fixed, I've heard a couple still are kicking but nothing as bad as it was for a while (one of the methods of duping crashed servers and was atrocious for a while... same with a method to roll items a bunch then if they didn't get something good, crash it and get their rolls back)

Actual injected hacked weapons? Not very common, the mininuke launching gatling is the worst... beam splitter guns that can't have beam splitters aren't common anymore bethesda cracked down on those
Actual injected hacked (duped) armour - Not very common
Actual injected hacked (and mass duped) power armour - Pretty much just unyielding is not uncommon for rare things
Dev room items (items in game but not accessible without illegally accessing the dev room) - Not very common, and generally get players banned asap

Have an issue with them? The report button next to players works wonders, especially if you reply to the email with what happened. If you include screenshots or video of the offending things even better.


Legit items?
Explosive energy weapons -
gatling plasmas and flamers are the most commonly seen because of how powerful they are.

Lasers, teslas, and others are much less common because while good they don't have the power of the first two.

Then you get into oddball legacies - Dragons with 419 range, Lobber teslas, Certain melee weapon combos, things that really only exist for giggles


Current top tier items?

Shreadder miniguns (Vamps is the general one as players are immortal with it)
Explosive Railways (Quad Explosive has more single target DPS than legacies)
Fixers (and to a much lesser degree handmades)
Plasma casters
Enclave Plasma guns (generally as a flamer which can delete bosses in seconds)
Gauss Shotguns
Teslas (very good as a tagging weapon in events, not great as a direct damage one)
Two Shot Grenade launchers (drastically out perform legacies in events, I hate seeing these used)
Regular thrown grenades (IIRC Nuka Quantum is the biggest boom, with extension of range perks and stuff going the radius can one shot MOST of the inside of westtek with a single grenade... people power farm using that)

Unyielding Armour
Various Power Armour sets

Then their are broken cosmetic costume combinations that make you a pvp nightmare - I use a golden combo that signifies glittery death

[whit]

Which ones are the ones that allow people to kill bosses before the AI has even realized it's spawned into the game?

edit - that's probably not completely helpful, so I'll give an example. About half the time I'm in a daily op, a single person has the end boss dead before the rest of the team can even get there.

[Percello]

Yes, there are a lot of duped weapons and some hacked weapons. There are also legacies, although legitimate, are equally as powerful and no longer obtainable. Those that deny this either have one or haven't played long enough to notice. Will Bethesda do anything about these? No, probably not. If you still wish to play knowing this, by all means.. but if you join an event and the boss dies in half a second and you don't get credit, this is why.

[Koby]

Escrito originalmente por whit:

Which ones are the ones that allow people to kill bosses before the AI has even realized it's spawned into the game?

edit - that's probably not completely helpful, so I'll give an example. About half the time I'm in a daily op, a single person has the end boss dead before the rest of the team can even get there.

Daily Op bosses are pretty easy.... I often take them out solo before the party show up just with a regular gatling plasma.

So I think you're just infering anyone good at the game must be using hacked weapons and that isn't the case.

I've yet to have the game ruined by other players using weapons. It doesn't bother me if an enemy dies a little faster or not. Scorched Queen dies very quickly usually just cause of the sheer number of people that usually show up. If you play at odd hours you may have it last forever as very few people will show up... and then she'll just fly around out of range for a long time. When she finally lands, you can usually solo kill her before she takes flight again.

[JVonD]

All you have to do is google the player auctions for the game. They even figured out how to dupe entire power armor sets that are non drop and non trade-able.

[Δ]

These guys I met had AP refresh on a wedding ring, glasses, mouth mask, and hats - these items can't be found with AP refresh on them, so they don't naturally exist in the game.

They also have unyielding legendary mod effects on power armor which was a scrapped idea that never made it out of the Public Test Server, which means they shouldn't exist in the game.

However, I don't really care. My point is, for those who are new, I'd hate for them to put a bunch of time in and feel like they wasted their money or time if they don't agree with the fact people are doing this to the game.

It happened to my friend I was playing with, he got bummed out and left. I stopped playing because he did because we only played together.

I own a double legacy flamer, and it rocks - its explosive and double ammo capacity (second mod blows, but makes it a collector), and no third legendary effect. Some dude found it before they stopped allowing energy weapons to have explosive legendary mods and traded it to me for a heft price. Anyways, really sweet game. Can't disagree with that. When Nuka stuff comes this winter Ill be back to do the seasonal game board.

[Phantom]

Escrito originalmente por whit:

Which ones are the ones that allow people to kill bosses before the AI has even realized it's spawned into the game?

edit - that's probably not completely helpful, so I'll give an example. About half the time I'm in a daily op, a single person has the end boss dead before the rest of the team can even get there.

Regular enemies as in 3* enemies? Pretty much any legendary gun can delete them before they are in

You are probably seeing players with min/max damage builds - you can get 1.5x from taking one for the team, 1.5x for follow through (hard to land on bosses), several times from crit bonuses, quad to eight times damage from weapon bonuses

Boss 3* enemies (aka sheepsquatch, alien boss, earle, queen)

Railways with explosive can "fetus deletus" both the sheepsquatch and the alien boss before they are in... they have some truely absurd vats output damage, drastically outperform legacies vs a single enemy

Earle can be deleted in 8 seconds solo with the enclave plasma flamer, its essentially melee, and I suspect some of the new melee weapons could wreck him fast too

Queen doesn't really have a deletion weapon... BUT she can be quickly turfed by a lot of players hitting her with god tier weapons or legacies. Once she lands she can be deleted pretty quickly with most god tier weapons.

As for other deletion weapons I THINK the ammo glitch was fixed, so 4000-16000 round dragon guns aren't a thing anymore... some people might still have loaded up ammo glitched ones kicking... that'll one shot anything

A lot of the quick kills you see are because several players are dumping absurd damage on the bosses

[Phantom]

Escrito originalmente por ΔΓΞ:

These guys I met had AP refresh on a wedding ring, glasses, mouth mask, and hats - these items can't be found with AP refresh on them, so they don't naturally exist in the game.

They also have unyielding legendary mod effects on power armor which was a scrapped idea that never made it out of the Public Test Server, which means they shouldn't exist in the game.

I own a double legacy flamer, and it rocks - its explosive and double ammo capacity (second mod blows, but makes it a collector), and no third legendary effect. Some dude found it before they stopped allowing energy weapons to have explosive legendary mods and traded it to me for a heft price. Anyways, really sweet game. Can't disagree with that. When Nuka stuff comes this winter Ill be back to do the seasonal game board.

Yes those items are dev room ones i believe, same with the captains hat with unyielding bonus on it... they exist but possession is an auto ban. The ones that have them have hacked versions that changed the ids so the anti cheat can't get them. They aren't common, and they only give minor/moderate bonuses.

Unyielding PA is from way before they dumped the idea on the PTS it was hacked in eons ago. They are all hacked armours.

Flamers are the best legacy gun, massive damage, TSE flamers get both a full 100% two shot from the OLD two shot (current one is 62.5% twice) (with no accuracy loss to boot) + 300% bonus damage from explosive (as all energy weapons do)

[m142]

isn't nuka-granate on par with quantum one ?
only downside is radiation and sligh less dmg but with it's range(comperable with mini nuke) it's far better option than quantum.
especialy on events on open field

[S73V3NS]

I don't have any Legacies or duped weapons, I know where I can get them but!!!!! I don't want them.

I don't want an easy time or to feel Godlike. I want to be a Lone Wanderer that has to struggle to survive and think things through.

I expect to work and grind to gradually improve my weapons with better rolls and mods.

To experiment with Perks vs Armour vs Weapons and incrementally improve and learn as I go.

I don't aspire to be "Look at me, I make it look easy".

If you do,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thats fine its your game to play as you do.

[Phantom]

Escrito originalmente por Sevens:

I don't have any Legacies or duped weapons, I know where I can get them but!!!!! I don't want them.

I don't want an easy time or to feel Godlike. I want to be a Lone Wanderer that has to struggle to survive and think things through.

I expect to work and grind to gradually improve my weapons with better rolls and mods.

To experiment with Perks vs Armour vs Weapons and incrementally improve and learn as I go.

I don't aspire to be "Look at me, I make it look easy".

If you do,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thats fine its your game to play as you do.

If the game had a system that allowed that sure

as it stands now if you have your weapon, and you roll it for a 3 star pick of your choice it will take you 3-7 years to get a SINGLE weapon of your choosing

An armour set you want will take at least 23 years up to 64

the RNG is prohibitive in this game

[S73V3NS]

Escrito originalmente por Phantom:

Escrito originalmente por Sevens:

I don't have any Legacies or duped weapons, I know where I can get them but!!!!! I don't want them.

I don't want an easy time or to feel Godlike. I want to be a Lone Wanderer that has to struggle to survive and think things through.

I expect to work and grind to gradually improve my weapons with better rolls and mods.

To experiment with Perks vs Armour vs Weapons and incrementally improve and learn as I go.

I don't aspire to be "Look at me, I make it look easy".

If you do,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thats fine its your game to play as you do.

If the game had a system that allowed that sure

as it stands now if you have your weapon, and you roll it for a 3 star pick of your choice it will take you 3-7 years to get a SINGLE weapon of your choosing

An armour set you want will take at least 23 years up to 64

the RNG is prohibitive in this game

😂 👋 👍 I cant deny that. I think the legendary Modules vs Cores are too unbalanced.

There should be a set amount of possible permutations for each weapon, so forgetting about luck for a sec, you would need hypothetically 300 rolls to get a perfect Fixer and so on.
Luck may get it in 50 or whatever.

Same for Armour 6 individual piece's to roll for a perfect set. There needs to be light at the end of the tunnel for God rolls.
You put in the time there should be a reward.

The question is can/ how to do this.