I'm disappointed with Rifleman options / builds

[Wade]

I have 5 different characters, 2 of them rifleman. One non-automatic, another automatic. Full health builds, all rifleman perks. 3 star legendaries weapons, Fixer, Handmade, Gauss rifle, Plasma rifle, explosive effects...

They both suck.

I mean they are OK for killing scorched, ghouls etc. But for tougher enemies and bosses you can have really hard time. And automatic rifleman spends tons and tons of ammo. Even with ammo factory, super duper, Ammo Constructor and all I can't provide enough ammo.

Yes, I also use 3 stars legendary Railway Rifle, but those spikes are really, really heavy.

And I think The Dragon and Black Powder Rifle are very underpowered weapons too. I have both of them legendaries, Instigating, etc. and they can't one shot mole miner lol. With that horrible rate of fire I should be able to one shot a ♥♥♥♥♥ Earl.

So I'm swithcing those two rifleman builds to heavy weapons because I'm very disappointed how rifles are underpowered and unbalanced. I will have 4 heavy weapons characters and 1 melee.

I think this game badly needs some rifle than can do a serious damage, like battle rifle or something. Or Bethesda should balance all rifles properly. Because I don't like bloody builds and don't want to play with 10% of my health to be effective.

On top of that Rifleman perks use Rifleman, Master Rifleman, Expert Rifleman, Tank Killer - 12 perk cards in your Perception slots, so you can't add any much more there, if you add Grenadire or Concentrated fire you can't add Exterminator or Glow Sight, so good luck when fighting glowing ghouls or mirelurk queen.

Sorry for a rant

[Angela]

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

Angela původně napsal:

Heavy weapons use tons of ammo as well, same as Commando. Maybe you should go melee.

I don't know what are you talking about, I have over 20 000 of 5 mm rounds in my vending machine right now. I have so much ammo for Gatling Gun and 50. caliber that I don't know what to do with it.

Gatling Guns are really cheap on ammo but they hit a lot slower (but hit harder) than other guns using 5mm. They're really only good for farming weak mobs though. If you're in a real fight you're wanting to take out enemies all round you a lot quicker than a Gatling Gun allows.

[Wade]

Angela původně napsal:

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

I don't know what are you talking about, I have over 20 000 of 5 mm rounds in my vending machine right now. I have so much ammo for Gatling Gun and 50. caliber that I don't know what to do with it.

Gatling Guns are really cheap on ammo but they hit a lot slower (but hit harder) than other guns using 5mm. They're really only good for farming weak mobs though.

Did you ever actually play heavy gunner build with Gatling Gun? I kill with Gatling Gun in 1-2 shots everything except Scorcbeast.

https://ibb.co/T8frKwq
https://ibb.co/3TMTZ9B
https://ibb.co/hmtNQQ3

[Zenventius]

For commando I don't carry one gun type. Main fixer, AA,explosive, and handmade Vamp 2nd weapon. Tesla Quad 3rd for Aoe. Helps with the ammo. Get the possum quests done for the carry weight.
To keep the ammo up you have to scrounge and loot and break down weapons. Visit weight rooms, West Tek etc.
There's a camp site in the north area that you can mine "junk" and "lead" i think. Build there.

[Wade]

Angela původně napsal:

Shotguns are stronger than Rifleman, but you have to actually try and make a build and then use it properly.

OMG another ♥♥♥♥ post. Did you ever actually play this game? I've almost never seen a player with shotgun in the last year or two, only maybe with Gauss Shotgun (which is not a real shotgun but heavy weapon too). And I play f76 every day.

[Angela]

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

Angela původně napsal:

Shotguns are stronger than Rifleman, but you have to actually try and make a build and then use it properly.

OMG another ♥♥♥♥ post. Did you ever actually play this game? I've almost never seen a player with shotgun in the last year or two, only maybe with Gauss Shotgun (which is not a real shotgun but heavy weapon too). And I play f76 every day.

Yes Gauss Shotguns, which are actually Shotguns because they use the Shotgun perks.

This thread seems to be looking for making complaints and not about listening to people, no wonder you are having trouble with the game.

[Angela]

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

Angela původně napsal:

Gatling Guns are really cheap on ammo but they hit a lot slower (but hit harder) than other guns using 5mm. They're really only good for farming weak mobs though.

Did you ever actually play heavy gunner build with Gatling Gun? I kill with Gatling Gun in 1-2 shots everything except Scorcbeast.

https://ibb.co/T8frKwq
https://ibb.co/3TMTZ9B
https://ibb.co/hmtNQQ3

Oh look another couple of Furious Explosive weaps And a stack of 5mm. Not sure what your winning point is here except that you have missed everything so far.

[tdurham]

i use a hybrid p.a with all rifel an heavy weapon perks, all prime, my to fav. weapons are a vampire ffr enclave plasma rifel an a enclave sniper which normaly hits head shots at 600, for heavy i carry a vamp 50 cal an a vamp gauss gatlin, i run westec a lot because it only takes a couple of min. an can furnish me with almost everything i need but lead, ammo is a none issue even for prime if you think ahead.

[EJR]

I use a AA+50crit gauss rifle for my Rifleman VATS/crit build and I deal a good damage against tougher enemies. As a matter of fact, when I was playing with someone they were having trouble killing Earle so when I jumped in and charged my gauss up to max and used crits, Earle's HP started to go down.

EDIT: Here's a link to my build if you wanna take a look. I should also point out that I also use Overdrives for a small boost to crit damage.

https://nukesdragons.com/fallout-76/character?v=1&s=2f145fe&d=ar2an2ao0ib4p02pd2pk2pp2pl2ej0l71lr2lu2a72s01a04c72lv2s12sb2lk2&lp=xm2x01x72xa2&m=5c29fe&wp=w5&wm=1124

[Dr. Nim Saj]

first thing i thought: explosive leg effect on weapons that are far better off being converted to commandos
why explosive on non-auto rifle?

hmm still gonna give you something you really might wanna try:
flaming barrel + pulse capacitor
(it follows the riflemen perks but goes like an automatic long distance )
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929245152063660052/929247689026175046/unknown.png?width=960&height=514

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

or Concentrated fire you can't add Exterminator or Glow Sight, so good luck when fighting glowing ghouls or mirelurk queen.

if someone shared that card in team...
and for lurky queenie = shoot her wiggly small bits (disorientates her )


also there are interesting leg effects like stalker and instigating to test with (but require sneak etc)
bloodied/anti-armor are probably the best ones
rifles for close encounters ... you tried the gauss rifle ?

and pipe-bolt rifles use also the gunslinger cards

[cougarshamn]

To be blunt, Your legendaries are crap, your perks are not optimized for combat and you're not listening to people trying to help you. Take advantage of the punchcard machine to have a combat build and a crafting/scrapping/selling build. That, along with not liking stealth, is why your rifleman damage is subpar. If you don't like stealth then yes, a heavy weapons build is probably more your style
Personally, I would have 5 points in demo expert when using explodey weapons instead of the 5 points in weaponsmith (but I have repair kits out my patootey, so that's not an issue for me)

[peacetohippies]

To be blunt, this is a C.A.M.P. Builder's game.

[Wade]

cougarshamn původně napsal:

To be blunt, Your legendaries are crap, your perks are not optimized for combat and you're not listening to people trying to help you.

I'm level 250, 3 stars superb legendaries rifles, all Rifleman perks and still unplayable rifleman build.

And what about people who just start playing this game, without any legendary weapon or armor? Level 1 - level 50?

Besides, nearly all rifles are unplayable and broken.

Submachine Gun = no one is using it
Assault Rifle = no one is using it
Black Powder rifle = no one is using it
Combat rifle = no one is using it
Radium rifle = no one is using it
Lever action rifle = no one is using it
Syringer = no one is using it
Alien disintegrator = no one is using it
Gauss rifle = no one is using it

Should I continue the line?

No, I don't want bloody build, I don't care for bloody build, I will not play bloody build.

You are just another bethesda fanboy mumbling non sense

[Wade]

peacetohippies původně napsal:

To be blunt, this is a C.A.M.P. Builder's game.

I'm affraid you right. Although the CAMP building is partially broken too, due to a lack of flat surfaces. So when you build a camp you can't change or flatten existing terrain and you must put "foundations" and then all looks more or less ugly.

Better not mention other issues. People are using glitches and hacks to put junk or a typewriter on a desk lol.

[Wade]

E. Red původně napsal:

I use a AA+50crit gauss rifle for my Rifleman VATS/crit build and I deal a good damage against tougher enemies.

Yeah, I had Instigating 3 stars Gauss rifle but it was bugged and doing almost no damage, year or two years ago. So I sold it for 40 scrips. I don't think I will use Gauss rifle ever again. Besides, it's very situational weapon, even when it works.

"The most bugged weapon in the game"

https://www.reddit.com/r/fo76/comments/an1krk/a_list_of_bugs_with_the_gauss_rifle/

[EJR]

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

E. Red původně napsal:

I use a AA+50crit gauss rifle for my Rifleman VATS/crit build and I deal a good damage against tougher enemies.

Yeah, I had Instigating 3 stars Gauss rifle but it was bugged and doing almost no damage, year or two years ago. So I sold it for 40 scrips. I don't think I will use Gauss rifle ever again. Besides, it's very situational weapon, even when it works.

"The most bugged weapon in the game"

https://www.reddit.com/r/fo76/comments/an1krk/a_list_of_bugs_with_the_gauss_rifle/

The first problem you have with that is that you were using an Instigating one. Doesn't matter what weapon it is, whether it be a Fixer, minigun, sledgehammer, or even a sniper rifle, the Instigating legendary effect will always be crap. Even in 4 it was lackluster. The best effect it could have is IMO either Bloodied, for obvious reasons, and Anti-Armor due to, as the name implies, armor penetration. Both effects can boast near incomparable damage if one's character is truly built properly for rifles. And with other effects (Like my own having the +50 crit damage) can deal 1200+ damage when charged up to max before firing a crit shot (This may not seem like a lot for some people, but I'm also not too deep into the meta as other people are so I'm just going off what I see with my own numbers). I don't see how the gauss rifle is a situational weapon, it can one shot anything with a head shot (Again, when charged up to max).

As for that link you posted, I honestly cast doubt on it. Not because I never ran into these issues myself, but solely because it is three years old and no comment posted later than that. Plus, some of these issues are more cosmetic/QOl-based than gameplay-based, meaning they only affect text but not the actual performance of the weapon when in use. The only thing I can semi-agree with the people on the post is the person talking about how his gauss rifle is outdamaged by his .50 cal sniper rifle. HOWEVER, one must keep in mind that his comment (And ultimately the reddit post itself) was posted way before the One Wasteland For All update was dropped. Prior to its release, I did notice that the gauss rifle I used (Which was a Two Shot at the time, don't remember the other effects) was outperformed by my AAE lever action. But once this update was released and enemies now scaled to your level, it was the reverse - my lever action was finally outperformed by my gauss rifle. Even more so when I came across my AA+50crit+1Per gauss rifle that I talked about earlier.

Wade Rocketowsky původně napsal:

cougarshamn původně napsal:

To be blunt, Your legendaries are crap, your perks are not optimized for combat and you're not listening to people trying to help you.

I'm level 250, 3 stars superb legendaries rifles, all Rifleman perks and still unplayable rifleman build.

Do you mind sharing what rifles you are actually using and what legendary effects they have? It would help to know what they are so I can see what type of "superb legendaries" you are using. EDIT: Besides the Instigating gauss rifle, assuming you have other rifles in your arsenal.

If you are willing, I would also like to see what build you are using ie perks, mutations, etc. You can use this link here to build it and post on here: https://nukesdragons.com/fallout-76/character