End of the Brotherhood questline [SPOILERS]

[Oahkery]

I was incredibly frustrated with the end of the Brotherhood questline. The entire time I had been siding with Ramani, helped her destroy the transmitter, all that. But then at the very end, I decided to execute the scientists, and suddenly all my other decisions were pointless? Ramani throws a tantrum and leaves and Shin suddenly claims that "the initiate supports me" and takes over the whole Brotherhood? It was a very disappointing end to an otherwise interesting quest line. So dumb that one single choice decided the leadership of the entire faction, especially when the choice itself had nothing to do with that question. The writers really fell down on ending this questline, and now I'm stuck with freaking Shin as the leader.

[Dezktop]

a choice has impact and that's bad?

[Oahkery]

Originally posted by Dezktop:

a choice has impact and that's bad?

It was a single choice out of many in the entire questline but it overrode every other choice you made, and even if you were agreeing with one person over the other, it had nothing to do with who you wanted to lead the faction, just what you wanted to do in this one specific circumstance. And you think that's good?

[Dezktop]

maybe don't chose to murder everyone and expect the best outcome ? it was your choice not mine

[OutsidR]

WANT Moar BOS....lol

[Fried Noodles]

I wanted half and half.
Just let me kill the younger sociopathic woman and we'll call it good.
The other two can join the Brotherhood.

[Tariel™]

Originally posted by futetăt:

Rahmani was a pos liar and traitor that would've turned raider before too long after being outcasted from the Bos. The scientists if you read through the lines, they never would have stopped working on the FEV experiments if you had let them live. I enjoyed killing both Rahmani and the scientists. I've actually took Shin's side from the beginning since he at the core represents the Bos quest to collect and guard technology best.

.same...she sold the weapons to foundation and it resulted in untrained folks having lethal weapons and well... bada BIG boom......she was willing to "rewrite all the traditions" in order to "preserve" the BoS??????... plus note one of the "scientists" was a cultist....you find she has a cultist dagger on her ..static ..not rng...

[Fried Noodles]

Originally posted by futetăt:

Rahmani was a pos liar and traitor that would've turned raider before too long after being outcasted from the Bos. The scientists if you read through the lines, they never would have stopped working on the FEV experiments if you had let them live. I enjoyed killing both Rahmani and the scientists. I've actually took Shin's side from the beginning since he at the core represents the Bos quest to collect and guard technology best.

Shin, and those like him, would have then safely and responsibly slowly died off in pathetic isolation in Hidden Valley Bunker.
All chapters of the Brotherhood of Steel that fail to integrate into society meet pointless, inevitable ends.

Originally posted by Tariel™:

.same...she sold the weapons to foundation and it resulted in untrained folks having lethal weapons and well... bada BIG boom......she was willing to "rewrite all the traditions" in order to "preserve" the BoS??????... plus note one of the "scientists" was a cultist....you find she has a cultist dagger on her ..static ..not rng...

She did not sell weapons to Foundation.
It's never revealed who exactly sold the weapons to Foundation, just that they posed as the Brotherhood of Steel as the stolen crates of weapons had the BoS insignia on them.
After Shin's decision to distribute the weapons to the doomed settlers resulted in a catastrophic defeat and loss of said weapons, the missile launchers circulated into the hands of various raider and mercenary groups, any of which could have sold the weapons to Foundation.

[Oahkery]

Originally posted by Dezktop:

maybe don't chose to murder everyone and expect the best outcome ? it was your choice not mine

Murder everyone? While I'm not a fan of the Brotherhood in general, they're one of the closest things to an authority in the wasteland, and it was a group of scientists who kidnapped people, performed horrific experiments on them that included forcibly infecting them with diseases and mutating their bodies, and released strong, mutated monsters into the wild that continued to further kill even more people, and then wanted to release an untested virus into the air and water of the area. And stopping them and then executing them is murdering them? OK.

Originally posted by futetăt:

Rahmani was a pos liar and traitor that would've turned raider before too long after being outcasted from the Bos. The scientists if you read through the lines, they never would have stopped working on the FEV experiments if you had let them live. I enjoyed killing both Rahmani and the scientists. I've actually took Shin's side from the beginning since he at the core represents the Bos quest to collect and guard technology best.

I completely agree about the scientists, which is why I wanted to execute them, but when did Rahmani lie? Traitor, sure, if you care about Brotherhood politics, which I didn't, but she seemed to actually care about people rather than be the typical Brotherhood stereotype like Shin of just hording all tech and not letting anyone else use it. Yes, Shin represented the Brotherhood best, which was why I wanted to side with Rahmani overall, because I wanted this faction to go in a bit of a different direction. But I wasn't complaining about the two sides in the conflict; I was annoyed that the choice was let a group of sociopathic scientists who committed multiple death sentence-worth crimes continue their work in order to keep the more reasonable seeming person in charge of the Brotherhood, or execute them but the fanatic who doesn't care about anything but hoarding tech takes charge.

It was really dumb that the question of who leads the Brotherhood was tied to what you did to the scientists, especially when you basically already chose who to support during the transmitter quest and this single choice could wipe all that out.

[tdurham]

i wish you could save game like in the other games so you could go back an test other decesions , i know you cant, just wishing. i really wanted to kill the scientist but did not.

[Mexicola9302]

Just play through it again with a second char, where is the problem?

But honestly does it really matter who is the boss of BoS after the quest is done, no it doesn't matter at all.

It's just pseudo decisions that don't change a thing about the game itself, after your done with the quest. Because you don't interact with the boss after the quest anymore, so it doesn't matter at all.

After being done with all quests it's just go back to, farming mats, farming legendaries, farming this and that, the usual boring grind that leads nowhere anyway. At some point the own char is so overpowered already, that nothing in the game matters anymore.

[Major Malarkey]

Originally posted by Fried Noodles:

I wanted half and half.
Just let me kill the younger sociopathic woman and we'll call it good.
The other two can join the Brotherhood.

Agreed.

[Mooman]

Don't worry in a few weeks time you'll probably have forgotten your choice anyway as there is no reason beyond handing in technical documents to go back in to Atlas.

You can still kill BoS initiates and hopefuls without ramifications, still launch nukes, still do whatever.

As there are 4 endings (live/die combinations) the amount of work required to take the BoS story further is way beyond this dev team. They are done in Appalachia, thank the maker.

[little____f]

I made the same experience today and was awfully disappointed by that ending too. I would've liked the option to prison the two associates of Farha or execute just them, since they seemed to be possessed by the idea to finishing the FEV project. Instead Shin is leader, the leader I would've wished for is gone and all 3 scientists are dead. 🥲

[Lord Rambo]

The moral dilemma was ineptly executed, after a whole 2 seconds of reflecting, the decision was obvious. Going in, my personal sympathies were toward Ramani, everything that happened up to the end made it clear the wastelanders of Appalachia were about as trustworthy with advanced technology as a chimp with a hand grenade.

Then the whole ♥♥♥♥ with deciding the fate of the FEV scientists was another no brainer. They unleashed man-made horrors on the region, and their reaction to the total failure of their human experiments in front of their very eyes is denial, doubling-down, and a total lack of empathy for their victims. They went out of their way to hire mercenaries to abduct innocent people to use as test subjects and the'yre all like 'so what?' And Ramani wants to spare these unrepentant sociopaths so they can continue to ♥♥♥♥ up even harder? ♥♥♥♥ that.
The sentence is death. Ad Victoriam.

[rdkehoe]

Originally posted by Fried Noodles:

Originally posted by futetăt:

Rahmani was a pos liar and traitor that would've turned raider before too long after being outcasted from the Bos. The scientists if you read through the lines, they never would have stopped working on the FEV experiments if you had let them live. I enjoyed killing both Rahmani and the scientists. I've actually took Shin's side from the beginning since he at the core represents the Bos quest to collect and guard technology best.

Shin, and those like him, would have then safely and responsibly slowly died off in pathetic isolation in Hidden Valley Bunker.
All chapters of the Brotherhood of Steel that fail to integrate into society meet pointless, inevitable ends.

Originally posted by Tariel™:

.same...she sold the weapons to foundation and it resulted in untrained folks having lethal weapons and well... bada BIG boom......she was willing to "rewrite all the traditions" in order to "preserve" the BoS??????... plus note one of the "scientists" was a cultist....you find she has a cultist dagger on her ..static ..not rng...

She did not sell weapons to Foundation.
It's never revealed who exactly sold the weapons to Foundation, just that they posed as the Brotherhood of Steel as the stolen crates of weapons had the BoS insignia on them.
After Shin's decision to distribute the weapons to the doomed settlers resulted in a catastrophic defeat and loss of said weapons, the missile launchers circulated into the hands of various raider and mercenary groups, any of which could have sold the weapons to Foundation.

Shin gave the weapons, if you side with Ramahni it's in some of the dialogue you can explore. It's his "mistake" that he doesn't want to repeat.