So much Cringe...

[Macka]

makes me laugh how players lvl 140 are getting around with legacy Guns. mostly the plasma caster and Ex laser guns. Do these people spend real cash ?, up to possibly hundreds of Dollars , just so they can be a hero.. like i said in the title..

[Winston Churchill]

How many of these players that buy these duped legacy from Ebay, actually know its a duped legacy from Ebay. They think its a legit sale. Too many of them out there now. Only real fix Beth would have to do a hard reset and have everybody start from scratch which will never happen.

[BizarreMan]

Автор сообщения: Winston Churchill

How many of these players that buy these duped legacy from Ebay, actually know its a duped legacy from Ebay. They think its a legit sale. Too many of them out there now. Only real fix Beth would have to do a hard reset and have everybody start from scratch which will never happen.

Because doing a complete pwipe now would kill the game. I have 3 x level 400 characters, have been playing since the BETA. I do not now and have never had any legacies or impossible weapons. Making me start over because some chucklefark needs to be king of the heap? No good at all.

Better solution is to remove the "special" from the legacy weapons so they don't have that advantage, and then do a complete database purge of any impossible weapons. Removing them with extreme prejudice.

[★ Bartes ★]

Автор сообщения: BizarreMan

Автор сообщения: Winston Churchill

How many of these players that buy these duped legacy from Ebay, actually know its a duped legacy from Ebay. They think its a legit sale. Too many of them out there now. Only real fix Beth would have to do a hard reset and have everybody start from scratch which will never happen.

Because doing a complete pwipe now would kill the game. I have 3 x level 400 characters, have been playing since the BETA. I do not now and have never had any legacies or impossible weapons. Making me start over because some chucklefark needs to be king of the heap? No good at all.

Better solution is to remove the "special" from the legacy weapons so they don't have that advantage, and then do a complete database purge of any impossible weapons. Removing them with extreme prejudice.

or just put survival back to the game, without legendary gear

[nOv1c3]

Ever consider these players are just on another Char ? , My main Char is like 830 and my other 4 are around level 10 but if i wanted i could rank them up to 50 in a day and throw a few of my extra legacies on those chars

[Tariel™]

oh noooo.. someone has more money than me and is spending it on the game they play!!...oooooh waaaaaaah!! Oy Vey! ....get a better job...

[Macka]

i have a great job that pays well, but thats none of your beezwax anyway .. that wasant my point here , i just find it funny that players buy items for this game rather than actually earning them. has nothing to do with money :) more so the sites they are buying them from. so if your going to throw negitive BS into the thread, i suggest u go away

[bigfoot2841]

lol.....
People have been buying digital goods online since Asheron's Call, Everquest, Diablo 2 etc.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Since your job is none of our beeswax, so is what people do with their currency in game and real life.

Good Luck.

[Drache]

Автор сообщения: Mooman

It's whats known as a 'Power Fantasy' and makes games like Destiny and Warframe popular. Most people aren't very high on the social ladder and when given the ability to be the Alpha Dog they'll take it.

Problem is this is meant to be an online game with strictly controlled power curves, something that isn't an issue offline. Bethesda could fix the combat balance, but to date haven't.

As long as players aren't affecting your game, and let's be honest many events would fail if left to average play-styles due to poor balance (Zetan event could be an eye opener if left as is on PTS).

Beth has addressed Balance, the Two Shot Nerf, the Explosive Nerf, One Wasteland "Normalization", et al. Bethesda may not have addressed balance in the fashion you desire, but they certainly have addressed it.

I own two Legacy Ene Weapons, a BE +1 Agi Gat Plas (which spent MOST of its life in my stash, since I wasn't running an Adrenal Build), and a Mutant Slayer Expl Laser Rifle, which imho, is sub par to my Railroad Rifle. Neither of these do I consider "top tier" in the current meta. The sad reality is I sold several exploding energy weapons to the vendor in Watoga "back in the day" because I thought they didn't work....

The only legacy weapon that is probably a bit on the OP side is the TSE Flamer.

[Phantom]

Автор сообщения: ★ Bartes ★

Автор сообщения: Macka

they have more fun and kinda ruin it for others,... and yes the update was a nice addition for that xp issue.

how they ruin the game though , game is fully made for PvE. you cant kill boss with legacy in a few seconds

Pretty much the issue is mitigated but not removed with shared exp and loot

But mostly its the GP users at events instantly gibbing everything they point at preventing lowbies (sub 1000's) from getting exp and levels


To the other guy...

TSE flamers are stupid powerful, but they are far far rarer and most of us with them aren't rude with them, point and anythings dead instantly, ammos cheap too but not as cheap as the GP

Since the GP was the 'must have' legacy when the major dupes of the past went by it was the one that was duped the most

As it is now, if you have a lobber tesla its 99.9% legit (maybe modded in) no one kept those because 400 stash space they were (and still are) garbage weapons (but neat I finally got my TSx15r roll)

If you have a GP its 101% duped, unless on the very very slim chance you found and kept one (and lets face it, no one found and kept them, because at the time magic 100,000 damage weapons were all the rage, and stash sizes were teeny)

If you have a Flamer its probably been duped...
If you have a Laser its probably been duped...

etc

[Senator Armstrong]

Автор сообщения: Mooman

It's whats known as a 'Power Fantasy' and makes games like Destiny and Warframe popular. Most people aren't very high on the social ladder and when given the ability to be the Alpha Dog they'll take it.

Problem is this is meant to be an online game with strictly controlled power curves, something that isn't an issue offline. Bethesda could fix the combat balance, but to date haven't.

As long as players aren't affecting your game, and let's be honest many events would fail if left to average play-styles due to poor balance (Zetan event could be an eye opener if left as is on PTS).

This

[Senator Armstrong]

Автор сообщения: Macka

makes me laugh how players lvl 140 are getting around with legacy Guns. mostly the plasma caster and Ex laser guns. Do these people spend real cash ?, up to possibly hundreds of Dollars , just so they can be a hero.. like i said in the title..

What is a legacy weapon?

[PotatoBasket]

Автор сообщения: evangalway2666

Автор сообщения: Macka

makes me laugh how players lvl 140 are getting around with legacy Guns. mostly the plasma caster and Ex laser guns. Do these people spend real cash ?, up to possibly hundreds of Dollars , just so they can be a hero.. like i said in the title..

What is a legacy weapon?

Weapons that have effects you can no longer acquire due to balance updates. Usually they were nerfed for being too powerful; since some older players still have weapons with those effects they're called "legacies" as the only way to acquire one legitimately is to have a senior player pass it along to you.

[YΛҠ SĤΛ√ƐŔ]

i wonder how many of these weapons are duped and sold on the real markets such as ebay or etsy
i can tell this tho: nobody will be impressed if you use it
what does impress me are people using the weakest weapons possible and still succeed

fear them
https://youtu.be/52Ikr4574fM

[MissSnowie]

I honestly have no problem as long as they don't go pvp with them. Even more, it's better for everyone else when someone takes out SBQ with 2 shots. So many people keep saying oh they stealing our fun but I just don't get it how someone's definition of fun can be like keep shooting a legendary buffed up puffed up dragon for minutes only to see it gets mutates and becomes more damage resilience, restores full health and does more damage...

I had encounter a few of those players and they all saved me ammo which is difficult for me to craft. but of course, so many of those so called legit people used duplicate glitches in past to have hundreds of thousands ammunition adding with infinite stash weight glitch ..

Furthermore, it's not like only the one who does most damage or does the killer shot gets all the loot, everyone can benefit from it once you shoot it once.

but if you seriously want to keep shooting every second, go inside any nuke silo and game keeps spawning infinite enemies for you. Kill some nasty annoying broken bugged glitched assaultrons for me which bugged me for days until I could get to level 50.....

and of course bethesda fixing all the player beneficial bugs and brings limits to everything yet never bothers to fix annoying bugs...
I wanna keep selling my tomatoes to vendors to have some money, nope. Can't make more than 1400 caps a day.
Even after I buy something from vendor, vendor doesn't get the same amount of caps I paid, what the frak Todd the Frog?? Do you fail at basic math too?
I filled my stash with junkroll legendaries that taking 1100 weight alone in fasnacht, but nope, I'm not allowed to sell more than 300 legendary money worth a day...

Bethesda playing a major part in why people being tend to use bugs by limiting their freedom. In Fallout 4 I never used console commands nor any mods for months. I just wanted to play the game as it is because it was fun with no limitations or restrictions. I only started installing mods once I had nothing else to do so I wanted to enjoy the game even more with nicey mods, have even more options than the game can offer...

Unfortunately of course nowadays all the online games started being money milking cash grabbers... I play the game only because I have my husband I can play together with, no way I would ever bothered if I was solo. and yes despite all the annoyment it's still somewhat enjoyable to some extend, but I wish we were able to enjoy it a lot more than this...

[Hugz]

Автор сообщения: nOv1c3

Ever consider these players are just on another Char ? , My main Char is like 830 and my other 4 are around level 10 but if i wanted i could rank them up to 50 in a day and throw a few of my extra legacies on those chars

It isnt uncommon for people to have more then one gaming pc or an old laptop with a 2ed account. Been going on since Diablo 1.