Is buying items from external websites always against TOS?

[Paulo2400]

I have bought and spent hundreds of legendary modules to craft a 3-star Fixer Vampire Explosive. But after months of grinding I haven't been able to get this roll.

It's SO frustrating, that I'm thinking of buying this weapon for real $ from an external website such as G2G. But is this always against game policy and therefore reason to get banned, or is it only against TOS when buying 'illegal' legacy guns?

BTW: if someone has a VE fixer, I'll gladly pay with flux or anything else. :)

[killer_Foxy]

if you use real money yes but its fine if you trade with in game things like flux, also there are a lot of scammers which will just take your money and not give you what you want

[insert food here]

Yeah this is pretty much my same experience with the game. Without trading with other players I would have basically nothing decent except for a few guns that were either looted or event rewards. Sure legendary crafting CAN make it easier to get something nice but in my experience it doesn't as it just means you waste all your cores and modules and still have nothing to show for it. Some players get luck with RNG, not me that's for sure.

Not agreeing with it or saying to do it, but many players in game have stuff from 3rd party websites. Hacked super guns, hacked UNY PA or just regular legitimate items that are very likely duped, as they did not want to wait 14 years for the game RNG to give them that weapon or armour they wanted. Many players do it. Yes it is technically a violation of the TOS, but so many have done it I would find it extremely unlikely for action against a player buying a single legitimate roll gun.

I have a Fixer with Vampire, Damage while aiming and 15% reload. I have many better fixers so i'm not using it if you are interested. Been meaning to put it and many other very decent guns i don't use any more on the trading forum but never got around to it.

[Mooman]

The game is about the chase (gamble). Once you 'win' that chase, then what?

If you buy your end goal then the game will get boring, only difference it cost you money instead of time so you now have something to regret and potential buyers remorse.

[AllergicToBrainRot]

Of course it goes against T.O.S

Most of those sold items are duped, been running into more legacy weapon users by a ♥♥♥♥ storm. Half of them don't care about the other players wanting to tag an enemy for loot. So they melt the enemies and get the loot for themselves. Mostly legendary enemies. Which is an ass thing to do.

[PocketYoda]

Yes anything outside of the game with real currency is bannable.. Good luck with that..

[Jman]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

Yes anything outside of the game with real currency is bannable.. Good luck with that..

Pretty this, Ebay stuff is technically against the ToS. However getting caught is another story. If the item is a very hacked weapon, AKA: anything with more than 3 stars, weapons with modifications like a Beamsplitter on a weapon that can't have one, a weapon with a model missing features like a handle or barrel, and/or a weapon with legendary prefixes that they cannot have. I think there is a high chance you won't get caught.

[Paulo2400]

Originally posted by insert food here:

Sure legendary crafting CAN make it easier to get something nice but in my experience it doesn't as it just means you waste all your cores and modules and still have nothing to show for it. Some players get luck with RNG, not me that's for sure. (...) I have a Fixer with Vampire, Damage while aiming and 15% reload.

Thanks for your reply and offer. But I'm specifically looking for a VE Fixer.

Originally posted by Mooman:

The game is about the chase (gamble). Once you 'win' that chase, then what?

I usually save up materials and modules to roll 20 new Fixers at a time. It's a big grind, but I've done it about 15 times and did so too yesterday. And again no Vampire Explosive Fixer. It is not a chase for me anymore. It has become a very frustrating process that makes me not enjoy the game anymore.

I really don't mind putting in a lot of time and effort to get the roll that I want, I understand it's part of the game. But if chances for success are SO minimal, it takes away the fun of playing. Tonight I'll be playing again and I'll start a new grind. But I'm not looking forward to it anymore.

[Mooman]

You know what though, I don't think it is against the TOS or code of conduct.

Not to endorse such behaviour, but I remember a few months ago with a similar question I read through the TOS and code of conduct trying to find a paragraph to quote. Couldn't find anything specifically against RMT (Bethesda probably doesn't want the legal hassle).

But if someone is up for the challenge to find a written paragraph to quote then the matter is settled. Else it's just what we think but not what we know.

[RiChuF]

it is against the tos
but be careful with those sites if you do go thru with it
and if they ask dont hand over your account details to them
ive seen these dodgy sites
some ask for loggin details so they can transfer stuff like t65 etc
well iffy

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Paulo2400:

Originally posted by insert food here:

Sure legendary crafting CAN make it easier to get something nice but in my experience it doesn't as it just means you waste all your cores and modules and still have nothing to show for it. Some players get luck with RNG, not me that's for sure. (...) I have a Fixer with Vampire, Damage while aiming and 15% reload.

Thanks for your reply and offer. But I'm specifically looking for a VE Fixer.

Originally posted by Mooman:

The game is about the chase (gamble). Once you 'win' that chase, then what?

I usually save up materials and modules to roll 20 new Fixers at a time. It's a big grind, but I've done it about 15 times and did so too yesterday. And again no Vampire Explosive Fixer. It is not a chase for me anymore. It has become a very frustrating process that makes me not enjoy the game anymore.

I really don't mind putting in a lot of time and effort to get the roll that I want, I understand it's part of the game. But if chances for success are SO minimal, it takes away the fun of playing. Tonight I'll be playing again and I'll start a new grind. But I'm not looking forward to it anymore.

I personally would wait.. you spend all that money or time and the 4* weapons get released and you may very well find that all that was for nothing if things change...

Its a large reason i'm not worried what weapons i use at this time with 4 star equipment coming at some point soon.

[EVILE-VON-OVERKILLE]

Originally posted by Mooman:

You know what though, I don't think it is against the TOS or code of conduct.

Not to endorse such behaviour, but I remember a few months ago with a similar question I read through the TOS and code of conduct trying to find a paragraph to quote. Couldn't find anything specifically against RMT (Bethesda probably doesn't want the legal hassle).

But if someone is up for the challenge to find a written paragraph to quote then the matter is settled. Else it's just what we think but not what we know.

As with ANY Digital forms this one being a game as OWNERS to the entitlement of PLAYING the game you do not OWN created assets or anything that the Developers made Inside the game so you have zero right to STEAL something that is not yours at all and sell it for MONEY...Illegal and easy enough to understand...Earn your gear or lose respect and face a potential BAN if you are caught buying anything in this way.

[Paulo2400]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

I personally would wait.. you spend all that money or time and the 4* weapons get released and you may very well find that all that was for nothing if things change... Its a large reason i'm not worried what weapons i use at this time with 4 star equipment coming at some point soon.

Hm, good point. I also don't want to be banned. So I guess the only way is to keep on grinding and hoping that one day - maybe, very maybe - my luck will change.

[Hefutoxin]

Originally posted by Mooman:

You know what though, I don't think it is against the TOS or code of conduct.

Not to endorse such behaviour, but I remember a few months ago with a similar question I read through the TOS and code of conduct trying to find a paragraph to quote. Couldn't find anything specifically against RMT (Bethesda probably doesn't want the legal hassle).

But if someone is up for the challenge to find a written paragraph to quote then the matter is settled. Else it's just what we think but not what we know.

"You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the “real world” of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the “real world” will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account or Membership."

It falls under Zenimax Media, Bethesdas parent company.

[s.turner3030]

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:

Originally posted by Mooman:

You know what though, I don't think it is against the TOS or code of conduct.

Not to endorse such behaviour, but I remember a few months ago with a similar question I read through the TOS and code of conduct trying to find a paragraph to quote. Couldn't find anything specifically against RMT (Bethesda probably doesn't want the legal hassle).

But if someone is up for the challenge to find a written paragraph to quote then the matter is settled. Else it's just what we think but not what we know.

"You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the “real world” of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the “real world” will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account or Membership."

It falls under Zenimax Media, Bethesdas parent company.

Pretty much normal for any online game that allows player to player trading, trading for in game stuff no problem, trading for real world money nope against their terms, if they really wanted to all it would take is the appropriate legal paperwork being sent to ebay or where ever in game stuff is being sold for real money to shut it down, they either do not think it worth the hassle or do not care to stop it.

[Mooman]

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:

"You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the “real world” of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the “real world” will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account or Membership."

It falls under Zenimax Media, Bethesdas parent company.

Thanks for that, was too lazy to read back through but the answer was there for all to read (though interesting point is Zenimax is now/will be Vault after Microsoft purchase, so legally a different entity).

Edit: Ignore that last bit, old info. Vault was absorbed into Zenimax, so no legal change.